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Old March 15th, 2009, 10:10 PM   #1841
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I'd love to see maps of where these routes were planned to go, there are many little spurs and 'ghost ends' along the A100 across the southern part of Berlin. Obviously plans, including going back to the pre-WWII days, were far more extensive than what was eventually built.
No, none of these plans going back to the pre-WWII days; they're going back to the 1960ies.

Here's a map:

Source: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Karte_e.htm
Legend: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Legen...BauKarte_e.pdf
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Old March 15th, 2009, 10:27 PM   #1842
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Thank God those in central Berlin weren't build.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 06:27 AM   #1843
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No, none of these plans going back to the pre-WWII days; they're going back to the 1960ies.

Here's a map:

Source: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Karte_e.htm
Legend: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Legen...BauKarte_e.pdf
Thanx!

Am I correct in assuming that the entire A100 loop, where it is not already complete, is still in active planning? Also, assuming that it is completed, of the other 'unbuilts', IMHO, only the A11 looks like it would be really useful.

Am I also correct in assuming that the A25 running cross-country westward from the A10 is a dead proposal?

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Old March 16th, 2009, 10:28 AM   #1844
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AFAIK the A25 was a never built alternative for the A24...
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 07:28 PM   #1845
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I was poking around in the Trier/Bitburg/Prüm area (mostly in the Rheinland-Pfalz state) with Google Earth last night and have a bunch of questions. It is a fascinating area to explore with the high-res images.

-When is the 'super two' part of the A-60 between Prüm and the Belgian border expected to be upgraded to four lanes? (That section has got to be pretty nasty before and after F1 races at Spa )

-I note a 'ghost' end of the B51 'gelbe' autobahn at the B410 at Prüm and its grade is traceable for some distance to the southeast. Can I safely assume that any plans to complete that part are long dead? Was it planned to eventually feed directly into the B51 at the A60 closer to Bitburg?

-Whill the B51 ever be completed as a 'gelbe' autobahn all the way to the A1?

-Also, what, if any, are the plans for the 'ghost' end of the B-410 gelbe autobahn at the A60 just west of Prüm?

-What is the current completion schedule for the A1 in that area?

-What, if any, are the current upgrade plans for the B51 between Bitburg and Trier?

(BTW, Bitburger is available here in Appleton and I do *like* it! )

-What is the current schedule for completing the A64 between Trier and the A1? I note a very clear 'ghost' grade for the A1-A64 split just south of Föhren.

-What, if any, are the current plans for the roadway that is planned to extend off of the end of the A60 at the A1? Will it eventually feed directly into the B50 and be built to create a complete motorway to the A61?

-A bit farther north, I can see a need for upgrades to the B56 corridor between Düren and Zülpich. Any current plans?

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Old March 25th, 2009, 04:39 AM   #1846
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-When is the 'super two' part of the A-60 between Prüm and the Belgian border expected to be upgraded to four lanes? (That section has got to be pretty nasty before and after F1 races at Spa )
It probably won't ever upgraded, because there isn't so much traffic... only reason for that would be that there happen many accidents (especially in the 2+1 parts)

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-I note a 'ghost' end of the B51 'gelbe' autobahn at the B410 at Prüm and its grade is traceable for some distance to the southeast. Can I safely assume that any plans to complete that part are long dead? Was it planned to eventually feed directly into the B51 at the A60 closer to Bitburg?
Before A60 was planned, this B51 from Brühlborn (near Prüm) to Staffelstein (near Bitburg) has already started to be built! There are some bridges in the forest east of Rommersheim and Schönecken which have never been used! And also this bridge over B410 next to Brühlborn has been a useless bridge for 30 years or so....but there are works at the moment to let the b51 fade in B410 without same level crossings because this junction had many accidents!



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-Whill the B51 ever be completed as a 'gelbe' autobahn all the way to the A1?
Now it isn't a "gelbe Autobahn" except a small stretch near Stadtkyll! There are plans to upgrade it complete to 2+1 at the rest. This road takes all the traffic that should run over still not completed A1 Blankenheim-Daun so it probably won't be necessary in future any more.

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-Also, what, if any, are the plans for the 'ghost' end of the B-410 gelbe autobahn at the A60 just west of Prüm?
There I don't really know what they thought of.... for many years everybody had to drive over a bridge north of the junction to get to Schloßheck, Pronsfeld etc. although this road runs next to the dead end...some years ago a direct connection from Schloßheck to the junction was built...but not at the dead end...weird... (btw: this road is called "Milchstraße" due to a big creamery in the forest next to it and all trucks drive from/to there this road)...




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-What is the current completion schedule for the A1 in that area?
This process has taken too many decades now... till 2011 Daun (B257)-Kelberg(B410) shall be finished. but the most complicated part would be from AS Adenau to AS Lommersdorf due to a big bridge over Ahr valley.
there's a site which shows the current status of the project... it's german but has some images as well
http://www.lbm.rlp.de/Projekte_cms/A...chluss_a1.html

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-What, if any, are the current upgrade plans for the B51 between Bitburg and Trier?
THIS topic is at the moment one of the biggest regional discussions! Last year in june about 10 people (don't know exact number anymore) died during one month in various accidents that happened there...3 weeks ago again a 22 old woman died because a truck ran on her...
the discussions lead from banning all trucks from it (which would be nonsense in my opionion...) to upgrading it.... but it's only upgraded to 2+1 and this makes it so dangerous... there are so many speeders on that stretch you can't imagine...and short 2+1 lanes to overtake assist in that case....
my opinion is that the only sollution would be building a complete new motorway from A60-junction Bitburg to A64 Trier ! But even politicians talk about banning trucks from it... this road has the traffic amount of a motorway so it should be a motorway where rushing wouldn't be that dangerous than on a 2+1 road without median crashbarriers....

In the meantime I'm afraid of driving on that road - seriously !

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-What is the current schedule for completing the A64 between Trier and the A1? I note a very clear 'ghost' grade for the A1-A64 split just south of Föhren.
This stretch isn't in "Vordringlicher Bedarf" (important requirements) of the national traffic plannings (Bundesverkehrswegeplan) anymore...

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-What, if any, are the current plans for the roadway that is planned to extend off of the end of the A60 at the A1? Will it eventually feed directly into the B50 and be built to create a complete motorway to the A61?
Also a very controversial case in the region...from interchange Wittlich A60 will continue as B50n ("Gelbe autobahn") with a gigantic bridge (180m! - "Hochmoselübergang") over Mosel valley and lead to B50 near Longkamp. B50 from Flughafen Hahn to Rheinböllen (A61) is already almost finished as "Gelbe Autobahn"!
my opinion is that this project is so overdimensioned...the traffic amount won't ever justify such a huge bridge and I'm sure there have been alternatives.... but this project is politically wanted just like A60 bitburg-Wittlich. It was an agreement from Belgian and German government to build a new transversale from the Belgian ports to Rhein-Main-Area! (what a nonsense this is just shows a comparison of google-maps-road calculations of this way and the way over A4-A61/A3)
here a link to the project Hochmoselübergang:
http://www.volksfreund.de/storage/me...e-16-12-08.PDF



So my home region is a good example for stupid traffic plannings...A60 Bitburg-Wittlich should never been built in my opinion...and completing A1 Blankenheim-Daun would solve many traffic problems in the whole region!


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Old March 25th, 2009, 05:22 AM   #1847
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BTW, don't worry, your English is a LOT better than my German!





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Old March 26th, 2009, 03:28 PM   #1848
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Old March 26th, 2009, 03:52 PM   #1849
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Directly east of the AD Neukölln will be build a 385m tunnel with 8-lanes:
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Old March 26th, 2009, 10:10 PM   #1850
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One more question, what, if any, are the upgrade plans for the roads in the Karlsruhe-Saarbrücken (unbuilt A8) corridor? I would think that the B10 and B427 between them is a NASTY drive.

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Old March 27th, 2009, 07:20 AM   #1851
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^ Sadly not planned.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #1852
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Not necessary either... The current road is mostly okay, I've driven it from Landau/Pfalz to Annweiler/Trifels. Traffic volumes are rather low.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 11:06 AM   #1853
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No, none of these plans going back to the pre-WWII days; they're going back to the 1960ies.

Here's a map:

Source: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Karte_e.htm
Legend: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Legen...BauKarte_e.pdf
Wouldn't this be impossible to build given the...ahem...wall?
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Old March 27th, 2009, 11:33 AM   #1854
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The wall was constructed in the early 60's, maybe these plans just precede that.
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Old March 29th, 2009, 01:28 AM   #1855
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Not necessary either... The current road is mostly okay, I've driven it from Landau/Pfalz to Annweiler/Trifels. Traffic volumes are rather low.
Traffic volumes on many motorways are low, but they are still necessary. I don't see a reason for not building this motorway. What's behind it?
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Ecological reasons ofcourse. It's quite a scenic natural area over there (Pfälzer Wald)
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It didn't look overly scenic to me. It was nice though.
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I don´t know for trafficvolue, but the B10 usually is a very busy road and the quality is very poor. 20+ years old asphalt all the way so it´s not a confortable ride at all. They rehabilitated some km between Plochingen and Esslingen, but only in direction Stuttgart, in direction east they didn´t do anything.
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We were talking about the B10 between Pirmasens and Landau, radi
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A445 / A46 Werl - Bestwig (Sauerland)

I took these pictures in september 2007, I did an afternoon trip to the Sauerland area. My parents thought I was kinda crazy, driving back and forth to Sauerland (250km) in half a day, because we used to go on wintersport there. In the 90's, the A46 featured a gap around Arnsberg and Meschede, and one had to take congested surface streets to reach Brilon, sometimes we drove the A44 to Erwitte/Anröchte, and then continued south across more quiet roads.

By now, the A445/A46 Autobahn ensures a fast connection to the Sauerland, although the end of the motorway can be congested during winter weekends when half of the Ruhr area goes skiing here.

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1. Symbolic entrance to Sauerland on A445 to me.
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2. End of A445 (Werl - Neheim) and beginning of the A46. I doubt the A46 near Iserlohn will ever be extended to here...
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3. Exit Neheim-Süd
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4. The Sorpesee is one of the tourist attractions in the northern Sauerland.
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5. I believe we had to take this exit earlier, when the A46 had a gap.
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6. Arnsberg is a regional center
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7. Another arch bridge at the Arnsberg Ost-exit
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8. Nice view already, although the nicer parts of the Sauerland are off the Autobahn.
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9. One of the newer tunnels.
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10. This is the newest part of A46 I think.
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11. Freienohl exit, this is a minor one.
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12. Standard BBS
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13. Storm damage from hurricane Kyrill
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14. Almost clinched 300 meters here
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15. Another nice tunnel.
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16. Northern Sauerland view
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17. Another tunnel near the Wennenen exit
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18. Schmallenberg is further south, deeper into the Sauerland.
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19. Yes, through the 300m mark. This bridge altitude is only 1 meter lower than the highest point in NL
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20. Hennesee is also a artificial lake, as well as the Möhnesee nearby.
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21. Enste exit.
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22. Very simple exit sign, not more is needed
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23. Exit Meschede was closed at that time.
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24. More hurricane damage.
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25. Entire forests were flattened due to Kyrill.
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26. The A46 ends here. I think many residents of Bestwig wish to see the A46 bypass their town.
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27. Föckinghausen, sounds nice
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28. Daily view in Bestwig:
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29. The famous yellow signage
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30. Faded sign
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