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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #2301
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You should have in mind the international traffic is always smaller compared to domestic traffic....
The intention of the EU is to erase the internal borders such that any distinction between domestic and international traffic within the EU becomes a distinction without a difference.


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Prague-Wien traffic is rather minor so I don't think motorway on the border section is much needed, 1st class road would do a nice job.
Someday, Prague-Vienna will get at least as much traffic as Prague-Brno. Vienna is 35% farther away than Brno is from Prague, but the metro area of Vienna is about four times larger than that of Brno.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #2302
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B303 will be widened to 2x2 in near future to connect the czech border with A93. So R6 should be extended as well.
I did not know about that. But does that mean that Germany postponed extension of A70 towards CZ border ad acta and decided to upgrade B303 to 2x2 instead? That would be logical in my opinion, for now.

I think that the current status of Czech route no 6 between Cheb and the border is very adequate. It is grade sepatated and the bridge is already build as 2x2, which means they had in mind quick upgrade to full expressway ...when Germany completes A70 to the border.

R6 is, in the first place, a route connecting NW regions with Praha and the rest of the country and will not a major transit route soon. As 1+1=3 correctly noted, traffic volumes on the borders are typically much lower. The priority for ŘSD on this route is to connect the existing parts with Praha.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 12:11 PM   #2303
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The intention of the EU is to erase the internal borders such that any distinction between domestic and international traffic within the EU becomes a distinction without a difference.
Well we now know intentions of the EU (European comission) are very often complete soviet-style nonsense like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Strategy

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Someday, Prague-Vienna will get at least as much traffic as Prague-Brno. Vienna is 35% farther away than Brno is from Prague, but the metro area of Vienna is about four times larger than that of Brno.
Someday maybe, I doubt in next 100 years though.
Traffic intensity is quite obvious - for example on D8 CZ-D border section there are some 9 thousands vehicles per day, which is much less than on many 1st class roads, may be even on some 2nd class...
So full profile motorways on border sections are IMO wasting of money. Largest traffic volumes are always around big cities - commuting.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 09:13 AM   #2304
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Someday maybe, I doubt in next 100 years though.
Thanks for posting the map. The main reason for the difference in traffic volumes is the language barrier. The quality of the roads is a secondary reason. Think about how long it will be before virtually all working age people in CZ and AT speak English. I guess it will be much sooner than the end of the 21st century.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 10:56 AM   #2305
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It's not just the language barrier. Cross-border traffic is always lower, to Germany or to Slovakia. Except for trucking, international trips are much rarer for most people than domestic trips.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #2306
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Hello, I have one question to czech drivers (or any one else who knows it ):
Why is unfinished the stretch of D8 between Teplice and Brezina?
It is very important connection between Czech Republic and Germany. I read somewhere that ecologists were opposed to this project (I supose that it is a forest), but it is the real matter?
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Old June 15th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #2307
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I did not know about that. But does that mean that Germany postponed extension of A70 towards CZ border ad acta and decided to upgrade B303 to 2x2 instead? That would be logical in my opinion, for now.
Yes, A70 ("Fichtelgebirgsautobahn") won't be built most likely. There won't be any plans for it in the upcoming plannings of new and upgraded roads in the next years. Instead, some parts of B303 will be upgraded.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #2308
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According to the Czech Wikipedia, the Czech D3 will be opened on 28.6.2013 already. Is that true?
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Old June 15th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #2309
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Hello, I have one question to czech drivers (or any one else who knows it ):
Why is unfinished the stretch of D8 between Teplice and Brezina?
It is very important connection between Czech Republic and Germany. I read somewhere that ecologists were opposed to this project (I supose that it is a forest), but it is the real matter?
It is the real reason that this section is so much delayed. Bad work of the planners which allowed undermining of the process by nonsensical stops imposed due to the green initiatives going to court.

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According to the Czech Wikipedia, the Czech D3 will be opened on 28.6.2013 already. Is that true?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...90348&page=113
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Old June 15th, 2013, 09:18 PM   #2310
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It's not just the language barrier. Cross-border traffic is always lower, to Germany or to Slovakia. Except for trucking, international trips are much rarer for most people than domestic trips.
Sure, most trips are under 10km, so of course most trips do not cross borders. Still, think about the the reasons why Brno-Bratislava traffic is so much higher than Brno-Vienna traffic -- despite that Vienna is a much larger city than Bratislava. I submit three reasons: language, road quality, and destinations beyond. Any other reasons?
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Old June 15th, 2013, 11:16 PM   #2311
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Sure, most trips are under 10km, so of course most trips do not cross borders. Still, think about the the reasons why Brno-Bratislava traffic is so much higher than Brno-Vienna traffic -- despite that Vienna is a much larger city than Bratislava. I submit three reasons: language, road quality, and destinations beyond. Any other reasons?
20 years ago Brno - Bratislava wasn't an international trip. There are closer ties between Brno and Bratislave than between Brno and Vienna.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 10:01 AM   #2312
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20 years ago Brno - Bratislava wasn't an international trip.
It's been 20.5 years since independence, but your point is well taken.

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There are closer ties between Brno and Bratislave than between Brno and Vienna.
Part of the closer ties is due to language. I don't think the part which is not due to language suffices to explain an 8x difference in traffic volumes from what the gravity model would predict. There are clearly multiple factors at work here and we can only speculate about how their relative influence.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 02:10 PM   #2313
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what will be the situation at D1 about 1 of july ? will drive through there. Any sections with 1x1 or hopefully remain 2x2 ???
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Old June 16th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #2314
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what will be the situation at D1 about 1 of july ? will drive through there. Any sections with 1x1 or hopefully remain 2x2 ???
It should be 2+2 all the time. 2+1 should occur on the 5th of July.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #2315
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It should be 2+2 all the time. 2+1 should occur on the 5th of July.
And what about start of august when I travel home again ??

Was it only 2 sections that were u/c this summer out of 20-25 sections ?
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Old June 16th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #2316
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Yes, A70 ("Fichtelgebirgsautobahn") won't be built most likely. There won't be any plans for it in the upcoming plannings of new and upgraded roads in the next years. Instead, some parts of B303 will be upgraded.
Well, only the B303.de north of Marktredwitz will maybe be upgraded to 2x2 lanes until 2020.
The plan approval order for building the 4.2km long 2nd carriageway of the B303.de Schirnding bypass was already passed in 2008, but I guess it will never be built because the AADT decreases during the last few years (> 7.000 vehicles/day in 2006, after A6.de/D5.cz opening 5.200 in 2010). More infos: > click < and > click <.

The 2x2 B303.de between A9.de and A93.de will not be part of the new BVWP 2015.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #2317
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And what about start of august when I travel home again ??

Was it only 2 sections that were u/c this summer out of 20-25 sections ?
4 section out of 25 are or resp. shall be under construction this year.

I can't say for sure now, wheter there will be some 2+1 or 1+1 measures at the beginning of August, but I don't expect them now.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:58 AM   #2318
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Old June 17th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #2319
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Amazing. Do you already know how this landslide will impact the construction of this section of D8 motorway ?
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Old June 20th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #2320
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They do not know yet (completion was expected in 2015), but probably it will be delayed.
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