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Old August 2nd, 2008, 09:14 PM   #381
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but I have the solution: we need no 100% green tax. 50% is enough.

so, here is the suggestion:

1. we DEcrease the fuel tax from 100% to 50%

2. we INcrease "fossil tax" from 0% to 50%

now we've reached the equality.

3. we put another 50% ROAD tax to the gasoline (so we reach the present 100%)

and voile, we have enormous income in the ROAD budget without tolls!

Guys, I need your support.
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Old August 2nd, 2008, 09:25 PM   #382
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Who are you reacting to

Frankly, I think gasoline taxes are way high enough in Europe, they're the most taxed products available (together with cigarettes). The problem is, the government always finds another way to rip off car owners even more.

Think about what percentage of those taxes actually goes to roads or the environment.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 12:30 AM   #383
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What percentage of the gas price is actually tax in Europe? and in the USA?
In the USA and Canada gas is a big issue now. I'm currently in Grand Forks, British Colombia, a small town just 'accross the line'. People over here go to the US to get gasoline. The funny thing is is that the gasoline they get there comes from Alberta, Canada. The same counts for wooden logs, natural gas and potatoes. It is more expensive in the country it comes from. Weird.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 12:34 AM   #384
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I'm not sure about other countries in Europe, but in the Netherlands, it's about 65/70% of the gas price.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 09:34 AM   #385
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Who are you reacting to
to myself.
read previous posts. it was a series about fueltax...

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Frankly, I think gasoline taxes are way high enough in Europe, they're the most taxed products available (together with cigarettes). The problem is, the government always finds another way to rip off car owners even more.
exactly.

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Think about what percentage of those taxes actually goes to roads or the environment.
stating that the fuel tax is "enviromental tax" is a ******* bullshit.
what kind of harm is repaired from this tax? this is only a ******* ripoff...
(or show me a detailed bill about the repairs...)

Driving in a jammed downtonw is really harmful to it, I agree that there is needed a local taxating (e.g. entry fee or parking fee)
but what kind of harm causes the driving in the open country???

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I'm not sure about other countries in Europe, but in the Netherlands, it's about 65/70% of the gas price.
yeah. and an important thing:

when the 70% of the gas price is tax it DOES NOT mean the tax is 70%!!!
it means the tax is 233%
(of the net gas price)!!! (=100/(100-70)-100)

Man, think about it! 233%!!!
what kind of ******* ripoff is this???

(and I haven't mentioned the other motorist ripoffs yet...)

so I always became angry when someone says that the motorist are subsidied...
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 07:14 PM   #386
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there's also a bright side of it: high petrol taxes make the european industry and transportation more fuel efficient and henceforth less vulnerable to oil shocks like the one we're witnessing today. it's definitely less of the shock if the crude oil price doubles when it only makes like 30 % of the price of gasoline.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 09:53 PM   #387
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yeah, I have heard this argument...

the problem is, that between 2 shocks it restrains the economy and causes competitive disadvantage...

(and there is only FUEL TAX, there is no FOSSIL TAX, so this way you can only "protect" the road transportation industry.
the other industries (rail, water, air transport, energy, heavy industries and agriculture) are not "protected"... )


besides of this the europian transportation is not fuel efficient:
the rail percentage in freight transport is extremely low compared to the USA...

and the solution is not subsiding the rail, that is only increasing the competitive disadvantage of the economy...

to make the rail competitive recquires the creation of the Europian Railways Co. which manages the full europian network...

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The problem is European freight distances are much shorter than in the United States, making rail freight less efficient.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #389
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I/57 upgrade

I'm not sure if anybody have noticed that I/57 is being upgraded to S 22,5/80 between Valašské Meziříčí and Vsetín. The construction is divided into several stages (see details here), one from Bystřička - Semetín is U/C now.



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I've found this road quite strange, since the planned cathegories varies:
Valašské Meziříčí bypass part 1: R 22,5, 4 km
Valašské Meziříčí bypass part 2: S 11,5, 4,3 km
Podlesí - Bystřička: S 11,5, 4,4 km
Bystřička - Semetín part 1 (U/C): S 22,5/80, 2,64 km.
Bystřička - Semetín part 2: S 22,5/80, 6,9 km
then continues by existing Vsetín bypass (S 11,5...?)
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Old August 6th, 2008, 03:22 AM   #390
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Does anyone have any update about bridge construction over Olza river on D1?
Right on Polish border.
Pictures would be the best
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Old August 9th, 2008, 07:34 PM   #391
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There will be two more important parts of road 11 U/C very soon. For detailed information follow the links (opens PDF file).

1. "Rudna extension" in Ostrava, length 6,6 km, construction 02/2009 - 03/2012



2. S11 between Opava and Ostrava, length 9,7 km, construction 10/2008 - 03/2012

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Old August 9th, 2008, 07:55 PM   #392
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Can someone explain me the prefixes? I see I/xx or Sxx or Rxx or Dxx, I know what the last two are, but I'm not sure about the others. Do those I/xx numbers mean some kind of classification? (like class I, class II etc.)
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Old August 9th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #393
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Can someone explain me the prefixes? I see I/xx or Sxx or Rxx or Dxx, I know what the last two are, but I'm not sure about the others. Do those I/xx numbers mean some kind of classification? (like class I, class II etc.)
As far as I know "S" means "Silnice", which is a normal, national road, and I/xx means class I Silnice, II/xxx means class II Silnice and III/xxx means class III Silnice...
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Old August 9th, 2008, 09:21 PM   #394
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Can someone explain me the prefixes? I see I/xx or Sxx or Rxx or Dxx, I know what the last two are, but I'm not sure about the others. Do those I/xx numbers mean some kind of classification? (like class I, class II etc.)
R means expressways, D means motorway, S means road (silnice), but AFAIK "S" is not used in names of roads only in parameters of roads (e.g. S 11,5/80). You can say D1 or R50, but something like S11 I see for the first time in the last post by X236K in this thread. Roads or "silnice" are being named simply with numbers, for example road 11. More usual form is, however, I/11 where "I" means it's first class road as ABRob said. That "I" is actually useless there since you know it's first class road from the number of digits - first class roads have one or two digits numbers, but it looks better.

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Old August 9th, 2008, 09:30 PM   #395
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ABRob is right. I/??, II/?? and III/?? (eg. I/11, ... III/15269) means road cathegory and number - like D1 or R35. S?? (S4 to S22,5) means technical specification of road quality and width and S means "Silnice"="road". Look at Highway standarts thread. Another diference between catheogories is in financing the new roads and in mainteance. D, R and I class roads are maintained and financed by ministry of transportation and Highway and roads directory (ŘSD http://www.rsd.cz/), II and III class is financed and maintained by districts (kraj - eg. Jihomoravský kraj = Southmoravian district)
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Old August 9th, 2008, 09:31 PM   #396
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There will be two more important parts of road 11 U/C very soon. For detailed information follow the links (opens PDF file).
I would rather see some upgrade of I/11 between Český Těšín and Mosty u Jablunkova.
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Old August 10th, 2008, 02:01 AM   #397
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I was driving the A1 route between Brno and Prague. This section is very bad, I notice that this section is not classical asphalt, and when you drive your car is moving up and down cause of the space between the blocks.
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I would rather see some upgrade of I/11 between Český Těšín and Mosty u Jablunkova.
Believe me that this stretch is much more critical. A friend of mine died over there year ago. Anyway, there is a plan to upgrade the 11 between CT and Mosty, see the link.

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I was driving the A1 route between Brno and Prague. This section is very bad, I notice that this section is not classical asphalt, and when you drive your car is moving up and down cause of the space between the blocks.
There's a solution that I apply on D1: simply speed up to 160 kmph and you'll fly over the spaces!
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Old August 10th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #399
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Believe me that this stretch is much more critical. A friend of mine died over there year ago. Anyway, there is a plan to upgrade the 11 between CT and Mosty, see the link
I believe you. Is this stretch already U/C or still only planned?
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I believe you. Is this stretch already U/C or still only planned?
Part 1 to be be started next February, part 2 this October.
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