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Old May 7th, 2009, 10:16 AM   #661
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The configuration 2+2 of the southern part of R1 would be a problem in the future, but i think that it's not only a matter of the Prague outer ring. The same situation is on currently constructed S1 near Vienna.

Btw, what configuration does Budapest have?

Edit: the previous post already includes the answer on my question.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #662
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I've counted 9 radials...
(oops: two of them dont reach the MO...)
OK, 7 radials and 2 short branches (Libenska MO-R8 and Sporilovska MO-D1), but still 7 radial roads

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wow. thats ridiculous...
its very unfair to finance a motorway ring (which is the hub of the national network) by a city...
(maybe this was the main cause of the delay...)
Maybe, but Prague is some kind of "state in state" so they still want to have it "under control" which makes some ridiculous problems also nowadays (but that's another topic )

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I dont think that the "construction potential" was a problem: you have built quite huge amount of motorways in the meantime...
Well, if you look at these tables: http://www.ceskedalnice.cz/prilohy/data.htm (esp "Souhrn" and "Graf celkem" at the bottom), you see that in 1990's the progress was almost the same as in 80's with traffic growth much bigger. But back then we had to build at first connections to Germany to satisfy new flows of goods from the west, the D5 and D8 were advancing very fast.

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fortunately the new eastern sector of M0 is ready and we have the 70% of the full ring...
Well, my guess is we'll reach 70% of R1 in 2013 with stretch D1-D11 completed. But in 2011 we'll have also 70% of MO completed, so also a fine progress. Still, both ring road constructions are waaay behind the current needs
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Old May 7th, 2009, 10:27 AM   #663
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Prague has central position within Bohemia, but not within whole Czech Republic.
Ok, Brno probably has larger transit traffic, but it has a nice motorway bypass...

but a large city like Prague recquires a motorway ring not only for transit traffic, but for agglomeration traffic too...
(and maybe the latter one is more significant...)

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And the reason why the outer ring is progressing so slowly may be the fact Prague has more rugged topography than Budapest.
terrain is no problem.
nimbies ARE problem.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 10:40 AM   #664
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The configuration 2+2 of the southern part of R1 would be a problem in the future, but i think that it's not only a matter of the Prague outer ring. The same situation is on currently constructed S1 near Vienna.
they can help themselves with a more southern bypass:

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Old May 7th, 2009, 12:36 PM   #665
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Yeah, but it's a theory
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Old May 7th, 2009, 01:36 PM   #666
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According to ceskedalnice.cz there are 1071 km of D and R already completed. How many kilometers of D/R are U/C at the moment?
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Old May 7th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #667
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according to the "70 years" birthday book: 186km is U/C
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Old May 7th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #668
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Has anyone noticed there're gonna be 9 motorways and expressways leading to Prague?
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Old May 7th, 2009, 05:48 PM   #669
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Has anyone noticed there're gonna be 9 motorways and expressways leading to Prague?
Yeah, it's a bit unnecessary.

It is caused by the fact, that new Ds and Rs were built along old routes, only D1 was built in "plain" direction.

And don't forget there will also be cca 12 kms long stretch of road nr. 12 in direction Kolín, that will be built as dual-cariageway and probably signed as motorroad

I think that esp. in case of R6-R7, there could be some kind of shared corridor leading behind Kladno and than a split.

But it's not bad, if you look at traffic volumes map, numbers for last stretches before it reaches city limits or R1 (2007):
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D1........ 113,000
R4......... 24,000
(at MO).... 54,000
D5......... 51,000
I/6........ 26,000
R7......... 72,000 (airport effect)
D8......... 48,000
R10........ 41,000
D11........ 41,000
Or look at the map instead http://www.ceskedalnice.cz/prilohy/i...07-TSK-UDI.jpg
Numbers on the picture represent: year 1990 / year 2007 / 2007-1990
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Old May 7th, 2009, 05:50 PM   #670
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Was there ever road I/1 ?

So before to get from Prague to Brno, they were using I/12 and I/38 ?
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Was there ever road I/1 ?
A long time ago Nr.1 was intended for Prague Ring Road and Nr.2 for Prague - Brno motorway, but times are changing D numbering is now independent of others so nowadays we have D1 and (as new trend shows) also I/1 (Prague Ring).

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So before to get from Prague to Brno, they were using I/12 and I/38 ?
Definitely. From Jihlava to Brno there was I/2 then.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 05:56 PM   #672
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Has anyone noticed there're gonna be 9 motorways and expressways leading to Prague?
Madrid has 8 (11 counting parallel Radiales). European record of radiating motorways/expressways in Praha?
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Old May 7th, 2009, 06:02 PM   #673
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Madrid has 8 (11 counting parallel Radiales). European record of radiating motorways/expressways in Praha?
D3 is still missing But I don't think so, London has 9 as well, and many other 4 lane roads in addition
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Old May 7th, 2009, 06:24 PM   #674
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Zagreb is crazy too (especially for its smallness). A1, A2, A3 (east and west), A4, D28, soon A11, as well as A12 and A13 (to replace D28) (ok, one of these starts a bit further away). If you count all of them, it's 8! We have 4 in Ljubljana (if you don't count 2-km G104), and we don't need any more.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 06:29 PM   #675
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D3 is still missing But I don't think so, London has 9 as well, and many other 4 lane roads in addition
London depends on how you count it. Clockwise from the Thames Estuary going along the M25 you have: A2/M2/A299 to Thanet, M20/M26 to Dover (M26 being rather long slip roads), A21 (rather short) past Sevenoaks, M23/A23 to Brighton, A3 to Portsmouth, M3 to Southampton, M4 to South Wales, M40 to Birmingham, A41 to Aylesbury, M1 to Yorkshire, A1(M) into Bedfordshire, M11 to Cambridge, A12 to Ipswich, A127 to Southend, A13 to Southend. This gives you 15, of which you can get rid of perhaps 2 or 3 that aren't access controlled dual carriageways that carry on for 20km.

However, if you want to head into London, only the A2, A20, A3, M4, M40 (as A40), M1, M11 and A13 get as far as the North/South Circular roads (the former mostly urban expressway, the latter mostly crap) as anything vaguely decent. That's only 7.
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A long time ago Nr.1 was intended for Prague Ring Road and Nr.2 for Prague - Brno motorway, but times are changing D numbering is now independent of others so nowadays we have D1 and (as new trend shows) also I/1 (Prague Ring).



Definitely. From Jihlava to Brno there was I/2 then.
Just as I thought. My Shell map 1973/74 shows road Prague-Kutna Hora-Jihlava as trunk road and E15

And motorway between Prague and Mirosovice in project
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Old May 15th, 2009, 11:23 AM   #677
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Prague City Ring update

Construction of Blanka tunnels on City Ring progressing nicely! Some aerial shots:

Cut&cover parts on Letná and Hradčanská:

Letná cut&cover near AXA arena:

Troja cut&covers:


More in gallery:
http://foto.ceskedalnice.cz/nase-fot.../letecke/0905/
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Old May 18th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #678
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R1 Prague Outer Ring Road

Show me some construction!

All photos by Petr Mančal

Western portals of Komořany tunnel


Vltava and Berounka valley with Lahovice interchange:


Vltava bridge


Lahovice interchange


R4 direction Strakonice


This is what we familiary call a "monster"


Another pic of the 2,5 km long bridging


Mighty curve - pillars up to 40 m high


Overview from southern portals of Lochkov tunnel


Lahovice interchange in detail


Lochkov tunnel southern portals


Lochkov bridge construction


More as usual in gallery: http://foto.ceskedalnice.cz/vase-foto/090518-R1/
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Old May 18th, 2009, 04:48 PM   #679
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I came back yesterday from a one week holiday in Czech Rep. (liberec region)

You have quite nice main and local roads. The pavement quality is very good on most of them.

But the D1 between Brno and Prague (and D2 south of Brno) is TERRIBLE!

why dont you repave it??

and the cloverleaves at Brno are very dangerous!

some of their right turning ramps connect to the C/D lanes WITHOUT accelerating lanes!

this is ridiculous...
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That's D1... money are being spent on the other places
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