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Old November 23rd, 2011, 04:34 PM   #1621
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From what I've seen, most expressways are designed with high standards. A lot of them even have the same speed limit as motorways. I don't think a normal citizen will see a lot of difference between an D- and R-road. For example, I think R1, R4, R6 and R10 can just as well be motorways. R7 could be too, if the pedestrian crossing is removed, that small section is modernized and the entire route repaved. The alignment of the road suits 130 km/h.

R35 I think, is unsuitable for motorway classification. It is curvy and has lot of sections with a speed limit of 90 or 110.

Shoulder width is important for roadworks, breakdowns and general safety, but I don't think a more narrow shoulder should make an R-road ineligible for motorway status. A lot of countries in Europe have motorways with narrow or no shoulders (Switzerland, Italy, Sweden and Norway come to mind).
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 08:27 PM   #1622
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Thanks for that, many people that matter now think this way too, so it's really possible to make this change real during the next year, hopefully.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 11:07 PM   #1623
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I've been watching this thread for some time and was always trying to find some explanation why R-roads are marked as expressways, while they have (or almost have) motorway standards. It would be really great to re-sign them as motorways

And one question: why does R6 have green signage like motorways?
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 11:39 PM   #1624
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I've been watching this thread for some time and was always trying to find some explanation why R-roads are marked as expressways, while they have (or almost have) motorway standards. It would be really great to re-sign them as motorways

And one question: why does R6 have green signage like motorways?
Expressways have green signage. The difference in signage is that motrways have the number in red field, whereas expresways in blue field.
In fact all roads "for motor vehicles" have green signange.

Roads for motor vehicles are singned at the start with this, the name expressway fits this cathegory:


Motorways are narrower cathegory and are signed with this:


Differences google translate
http://translate.google.com/translat...rozdil&act=url

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Old November 23rd, 2011, 11:59 PM   #1625
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Expressways have green signage. The difference in signage is that motrways have the number in red field, whereas expresways in blue field.
Aha, that was confusing me the whole time. So both motorways and expressways have green signage, but the difference is in the color of the number field. Much clearer now, thanks
I was confused because I saw some pictures with blue signs, for example this one from Chris:
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Old November 24th, 2011, 12:04 AM   #1626
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That road is not an expressway at that point (though it really should be, they should build a pedestrian bridge there).
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Old November 24th, 2011, 12:10 AM   #1627
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That road is not an expressway at that point (though it really should be, they should build a pedestrian bridge there).
So blue signs are for normal roads? Like yellow is used in some countries (HR, SLO...)
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Old November 24th, 2011, 12:17 AM   #1628
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So blue signs are for normal roads? Like yellow is used in some countries (HR, SLO...)
yep

Everything outside Motorway or Road for Motor Vehicles (expressway) cathegory is signed with blue boards.

The destinations are signed with appropriate cathegories. Therefore the green field inside, you can get to Chomutov, Kladno etc. via expressway if you go onward.

There are also white directional boards, for local destinations...
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Old November 24th, 2011, 11:25 AM   #1629
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The problem of the stretch with the pedestrian crossing is that it's one of our ubiquitous "temporary" solutions. Routing should be changed along with the construction of northern part of Prague's motorway ring. Therefore much effort to fix the current state is not to be expected. Despite that the historical experience teaches us that temporary equals roughly to 23 years (deployment of troops was also described as temporary...).
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Old November 25th, 2011, 06:19 PM   #1630
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Today opened 3,5 km long section (2x2) of the first class road I-37 from Pardubice towards the R35. This road is considered to be the first with 100 km/h speed limit in the firs class roads cathegory. For now the speed limit stays at 90 km/h.



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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:33 PM   #1631
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D5 Praha - Rozvadov


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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #1632
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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #1633
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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:41 PM   #1634
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Old November 27th, 2011, 11:14 PM   #1635
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Was there a reduced speed limit at the border?
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Old November 27th, 2011, 11:30 PM   #1636
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Yes, 80 km/h.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #1637
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Yes, 80 km/h.
That's illegal. It's a violation of Article 22 of European Regulation 562/2006. If you have a photo of the 80 km/h sign, you could email it to the European Commission and complain. The EU can force the member states to eliminate illegal reduced speed limits at internal Schengen border crossings. Feel free to pm me for details.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 11:57 PM   #1638
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Are they going to demolish this former border guards bulidings in the nearest future?
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #1639
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Are they going to demolish this former border guards bulidings in the nearest future?
EU law (see above) requires that they be removed if they impede the safe flow of traffic at the prevailing speed.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 06:35 AM   #1640
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That's illegal. It's a violation of Article 22 of European Regulation 562/2006. If you have a photo of the 80 km/h sign, you could email it to the European Commission and complain. The EU can force the member states to eliminate illegal reduced speed limits at internal Schengen border crossings. Feel free to pm me for details.
Really?

I thought there was still a 70 km/h limit approaching Luxembourg from Belgium, and it's only a year or two since the 20 then 10 chicane was at last removed leaving Belgium near Tournai

Now that Streetview is available there:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=arlo...,,0,-1.46&z=15

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=tour...bp=12,270,,0,0
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