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Old August 30th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #2041
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A19 Orléans - Montargis - Sens

The A19 is a nice motorway, but underutilized, with only about 9.000 vehicles per day. You can bypass the Paris metro area, but there is not logical western extension. The tolls are also among the highest in France, the part from Orléans to A6 near Courtenay has a toll of € 16.10 for only 110 kilometers.



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Old August 30th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #2042
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Old August 30th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #2043
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There are companies that rent toll transponders for a small fee (+ toll charges incurred).

I used service provided by these guys two years ago when taking an Italian-plated car for an extended trip in France (their site is interesting also a reference for all types of toll systems, classifications and categories in Europe).
I've looked at that site for reference purposes.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 04:55 PM   #2044
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The tolls are also among the highest in France, the part from Orléans to A6 near Courtenay has a toll of € 16.10 for only 110 kilometers.
Possibly why it's quiet - this new section is expensive.

Also the former N60 (old route of E60) was upgraded quite a lot, and runs the same corridor.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #2045
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Here's an idea: a Eurailpass for European toll roads. (If you're not familiar with Eurailpass, because it's only available overseas, you pay several hundred dollars for a pass that entitles you to first-class travel on trains in participating countries for a week, a month... It's available for different time periods. So although it's not cheap - it wasn't bad when I first used it in 1985 - you don't have to worry about the fare for a particular day trip or detour.)

So someone planning to do extensive international driving could just buy a pass that's valid on all toll roads....

Because $22.00 for 70 miles? That's excessive.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 06:06 PM   #2046
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nice pics of A19, I remember the signs for it when I was driving on A5.

that's cheap:

https://maps.google.si/?ll=48.063397...42272&t=m&z=15

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Old August 30th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #2047
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France is going to introduce a toll system for trucks, but I suppose the transponder will not be compatible with those used in Germany, Austria and Switzerland...(I think the Swiss one works in Austria, but not viceversa).
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Old August 31st, 2012, 02:05 AM   #2048
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Cheap is the usual way for motorway interchanges in France, tolled or not.
http://maps.google.fr/maps?q=chaulne...ardie&t=h&z=15


I guess it can't get cheaper than that tho:
http://maps.google.fr/maps?q=saint+d...de-France&z=18
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Old August 31st, 2012, 02:53 AM   #2049
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If you were trying to get to Lille from here, is "following Paris" (A5/Francilienne/A1, I take it) really better than using the A26?
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Old August 31st, 2012, 02:56 AM   #2050
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nice pics of A19, I remember the signs for it when I was driving on A5.

that's cheap:

https://maps.google.si/?ll=48.063397...42272&t=m&z=15
What are you trying to show us - that GMaps is shockingly out of date? (I'd looked at that interchange before for some reason, so I already knew that.)
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Old August 31st, 2012, 03:13 AM   #2051
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What are you trying to show us - that GMaps is shockingly out of date?
Apple Maps will be released soon -- based on OpenStreetMap, so it will be reasonably up-to-date. Then we won't have to worry about Google Maps anymore.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 03:21 AM   #2052
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A day or two ago someone here - maybe you? - in the International Borders thread linked to OpenStreetMap, which I've hardly ever used before. Out of curiosity, I looked at my neighborhood on it and I like GMaps better.

GMaps had far more information on businesses and landmarks - and in real life, that's what I use them for. I'm a traditionalist who's perfectly happy with paper maps, but if I'm traveling I can look at GMaps to see what's in the neighborhood when I'm choosing a hotel, for example (lots of places to eat up the road; that's good).

And I like the look of GMaps better.

But imagery that doesn't even show construction yet on an interchange that's been open for over a year....? Not good.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 03:26 AM   #2053
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A day or two ago someone here - maybe you? - in the International Borders thread linked to OpenStreetMap, which I've hardly ever used before. Out of curiosity, I looked at my neighborhood on it and I like GMaps better.
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GMaps had far more information on businesses and landmarks - and in real life, that's what I use them for. I'm a traditionalist who's perfectly happy with paper maps, but if I'm traveling I can look at GMaps to see what's in the neighborhood when I'm choosing a hotel, for example (lots of places to eat up the road; that's good).

And I like the look of GMaps better.
The OpenStreetMap project is just about the raw data. They do very little in terms of a useful presentation. Wait a few weeks for Apple Maps to do that.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 03:31 AM   #2054
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In the borders thread, there was a set of photos from a town on the Belgian/Luxembourg border where there are 8 or 9 gas stations on the Luxembourg side of the street (the border runs down the middle of the main road), because the price is so much lower in Luxembourg. I remarked that on GMaps, it looks as if those stations are in Belgium because they have the border parallel to but a bit east of the road rather than right on it.

Whoever it was pointed out that Open Street Map had the border right.

But will Apple Maps be an app, or...?
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In the borders thread, there was a set of photos from a town on the Belgian/Luxembourg border where there are 8 or 9 gas stations on the Luxembourg side of the street (the border runs down the middle of the main road), because the price is so much lower in Luxembourg. I remarked that on GMaps, it looks as if those stations are in Belgium because they have the border parallel to but a bit east of the road rather than right on it.

Whoever it was pointed out that Open Street Map had the border right.

But will Apple Maps be an app, or...?
The initial release will probably be the iOS app bundled with iOS 6.0 (now in late beta). I don't expect it will take long before maps.apple.com or a similar address will blow away maps.google.com.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 04:11 AM   #2056
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gmaps, apple maps... Nokia owns navteq and makes best navigational software.
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gmaps, apple maps... Nokia owns navteq and makes best navigational software.
Nokia? They used to make phones, right? Are they still in business? Just kidding (half kidding). I don't think Nokia will be in business much longer and I don't think their navigation division will withstand Apple maps any better than their phones withstood the iPhone.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 10:37 AM   #2058
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If you were trying to get to Lille from here, is "following Paris" (A5/Francilienne/A1, I take it) really better than using the A26?
A26 is a good 80 kilometers of additional driving compared to the route via the outskirts of Paris.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 12:33 PM   #2059
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Nokia? They used to make phones, right? Are they still in business? Just kidding (half kidding). I don't think Nokia will be in business much longer and I don't think their navigation division will withstand Apple maps any better than their phones withstood the iPhone.
Well at this point ios6 isnt out yet. I used both google and nokia navigation, I preferred the latter.

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Old August 31st, 2012, 01:27 PM   #2060
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I drove the A8 multiple times this month (Draguignan - Italian border) and it said 'Da vinci' everywhere. Thought they control the autoroute. The amount of toll stations is absolutely annoying and holding up traffic. The highway has great scenics, but is fairly expensive. I believe there are 4 toll stations between Cannes and Monaco.
It is because the motorway is free in Nice.
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