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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #2081
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Perhaps, but at the same time they wouldn't design such a scheme, if its likely to cause a high scale gridlock. That would be rather stupid, and will have the entire local population complaining to the local authorities.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #2082
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it's not like everybody supports this. city opposition is against: http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/201...s-en-debat.php

there are examples when a minor change of circulation caused huge traffic jams:
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fra...es-usagers.php

I can't imagine what a closing one of very important axis will cause.

And not, Parisiens doesn't care about entire city, its infrastructure, ..., what they care is their peaceful quartier 300m around their tinny appartement.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #2083
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Well, there you go. So they either get progress, or they will mess it up real good.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:40 AM   #2084
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at the same time they wouldn't design such a scheme, if its likely to cause a high scale gridlock. That would be rather stupid....
I hope that's sarcasm. This is a government we're talking about. Stupid is about the best that governments ever do.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 01:58 AM   #2085
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And not, Parisiens doesn't care about entire city, its infrastructure, ..., what they care is their peaceful quartier 300m around their tinny appartement.
Couldn't agree more.


Another dumb road reshaping:
http://www.espaceprojets-villejuif.f...nationale7.pdf

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The reshaping will diminish traffic on the RN7. It will basically become a local road blah blah
Sounds great. Where will the traffic go? God knows.


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The works will be organized in order to limit inconvenience.
The place has temporarily become a total dump. It's a maybe one of the closest experiences in Europe to driving in Dhaka.

There were several tunnels where the N7 crossed important roads. They all have been banked up so now traffic goes through busy intersections, causing traffic jams. What's there to replace them? Two lanes worth of pebble and a couple stunted plants. I could consider myself as one of the "riverains", and I can't possibly see how it has impacted my life, apart from rising local taxes, increasing my fuel and time consumption whenever I use this road and worsening the air quality in the neighborhood. Funnily enough they forgot to mention these things in the "project's impacts" paragraph.
They were complaining that tunnels favorised speeding. I guess they don't know what a speed camera is. Anyway I still see some Fangios speeding over 80 km/h almost every time I pass there. Maybe they should try harder at make it a single road with passing places?
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Old September 7th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #2086
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And not, Parisiens doesn't care about entire city, its infrastructure, ..., what they care is their peaceful quartier 300m around their tinny appartement.
Same as in every city in the world.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 03:38 PM   #2087
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That's why you need people who see the bigger picture.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #2088
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Which is only possible by people who know the area through physical knowledge, not through numbers, maps and photographs
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #2089
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I respectfully disagree.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:16 PM   #2090
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Fine job.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #2091
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Traffic engineers make decisions based on comprehensive data, not incidental driveby guesstimates.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:39 PM   #2092
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That's true, so far as it goes. But the bigger picture goes beyond just traffic, I'd argue. And residents of an area, particularly in an urban area, should at the very least get a say. I found Nima-Farid's "canceled freeways...should be built" thread actually offensive. Don't sit 5,000 miles away from me digging up old maps and announce that part of my neighborhood "should be" paved over (and then deny, when pressed, that your fricking thread title represents your point of view).

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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:43 PM   #2093
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And a few posts ago everyone was complaining about a decision, I assume made by authorities after a study conducted by these engineers. Also, if someone is there on a daily basis, knowing the area through and through, and knows what goes by everyday, in a nutshell a local person, I'm sure this person can be better trusted than someone from far away, like you or me in this case. With your incidental driver remark, you more or less agreed with me anyway.

Edit: this post as a reply to Chris. Hey Michael, how you doin.

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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:58 PM   #2094
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Brilliant! Ta.

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Pretty good my man...
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Old September 8th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #2096
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I think there are more political reasons (the greens, socialists...) than any ingeniring behind this particular case.

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Couldn't agree more.


Another dumb road reshaping:
http://www.espaceprojets-villejuif.f...nationale7.pdf


Sounds great. Where will the traffic go? God knows.



The place has temporarily become a total dump. It's a maybe one of the closest experiences in Europe to driving in Dhaka.

There were several tunnels where the N7 crossed important roads. They all have been banked up so now traffic goes through busy intersections, causing traffic jams. What's there to replace them? Two lanes worth of pebble and a couple stunted plants. I could consider myself as one of the "riverains", and I can't possibly see how it has impacted my life, apart from rising local taxes, increasing my fuel and time consumption whenever I use this road and worsening the air quality in the neighborhood. Funnily enough they forgot to mention these things in the "project's impacts" paragraph.
They were complaining that tunnels favorised speeding. I guess they don't know what a speed camera is. Anyway I still see some Fangios speeding over 80 km/h almost every time I pass there. Maybe they should try harder at make it a single road with passing places?
tunnels in Paris are a great idea. there are many of them on the inner peripherique and they facilitate transit very much. too bad they demolished them on N7.

well, N7 at least stays 2x2, + more parking possibilities, I don't think it's that bad.

one of major avenues from the north east of Paris, Jean Jaures, was reduced from 2x2 to 1x1 couple of years ago, based on local referendum.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 12:51 PM   #2097
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Right but full congestion happens only a few days [per] year. Widening A7 motorway to 2x5 lanes, or 2 x (3+2) lanes, is a nonsense for so few time.
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It's true that the average volumes do not warrant 2x5 lanes. However, if you're paying a premium, you should also expect a better service than 2 - 3 hours delay.
The long-term plan seems to be to extend the A77 south from Nevers and Moulins to Roanne, where it will meet the northern extension of the A72. The A72 is planned to be extended south through Annonay to meet the A7 near Valence.

When completed, that should substantially relieve the A7 north of Valence.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 02:35 AM   #2098
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Some news about the bridge on the Oyapock River between France and Brazil heard tonight on France24. The Brazilians have FINALLY started work on the access road to the bridge on their side of the border in the beginning of August. The construction of the access road and the Brazilian border station is scheduled to take 3 months. So the bridge should be inaugurated soon now.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #2099
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Is Col du Jandri above Les Deux Alps accessible by regular cars? It's at 3150 meters altitude.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:38 PM   #2100
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I think it is, but only to 4x4 vehicles.
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