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Old September 29th, 2012, 04:24 PM   #2141
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C-roads are usually very minor roads, because most rural roads are already départemental roads.

The whole French numbering system is a mess. They should've retained the original Route Nationale-network. You don't need to change the number just to transfer the road to a departmental goverment. Some formerly major N-roads are now a succession of 4-digit numbers. Luckily there is still the green signage which helps out a lot navigating non-motorway routes.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #2142
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Corsica, which still has it's RN network intact, is planning on replacing them with Routes Territorials - to add to the numbering mess.

That most departments, while using different systems, renumber their old N roads consistantly and with reference to the old number, does mean that they are easy enough to follow - even though the numbers are long and often change at the boundaries. My main gripe with the N road network is the various crazy moves - like finished bypasses keeping their different number, even though the old route has lost it's N road number and the total lack of renumbering since the 2006 changes, meaning you have numbering based on where the N roads were, not what they now are. For example the various short linking N roads between N roads and A roads keep their number even though the N road they link to only goes in one direction (and often for a short distance only) from the link road.

Other countries, like Norway and Ireland, also downgrade roads to a more local status when detrunking them, though neither of them have them change numbers at county boundaries.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #2143
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@penns woods

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Old September 29th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #2144
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Austrians hate Germans.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 07:25 PM   #2145
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Just for fun (and to put off house-cleaning), I spot-checked (against Google Maps and print maps - the most detailed print maps I have being the IGN Top100 series, the previous edition with blue covers) a few of those signed C roads between St.-Brieuc and Brest. No sign of any of them on the maps....
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And Anglo-Dutch Mayrhofenites are given to generalizing. :-P
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Old September 29th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #2147
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LOL

It's true though. Scheiss-Deutscher is a well known word here. Very childish.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 09:10 PM   #2148
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You've lost me.

I was wondering what brand of cars is Austrian. (..)
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They were two Austrian cars' manufacturers some time ago: Puch and Steyr.
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 08:57 PM   #2149
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French government proposes discounted tolls and parking rates for electric cars: http://www.lalibre.be/toutelinfo/afp...ectriques.html

I didn't see how much tolls would be lowered, but I just skimmed the article.
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French government proposes discounted tolls and parking rates for electric cars: http://www.lalibre.be/toutelinfo/afp...ectriques.html

I didn't see how much tolls would be lowered, but I just skimmed the article.
An EU Directive limits the discount for clean vehicle tolls to 50%. Specifically, the toll for the cleanest vehicles cannot be less than half the toll for the dirtiest vehicles. Personally, I think it's a stupid Directive.
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I think that at times the EU actually works. This, however, is the EU at its worst, and it fuels the sentiment that the EU is nothing but a dictatorship.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 12:49 AM   #2152
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so parking in Paris for an electric car would cost 50€ and less? haha, how will they rip off money now?
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How long do you get for 50 euros? (And how much would that cost if you weren't getting the electric-car discount?)
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The French Autoroute turns 71 today. The first section of the Autoroute de l'Ouest (A13) opened on October 4, 1941 between Vaucresson and Orgeval in the western suburbs of Paris. A second section opened in June 1946, which may have been the first post-war opening in Europe.
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How long do you get for 50 euros? (And how much would that cost if you weren't getting the electric-car discount?)
montly prices in Paris are from 80€ to 200€, so i calculed 50% off for electric car. But as I see now thats only the limit by EU, Im sure the discount wont be that big.
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The EU Directive on tolls does not extend to parking charges. As far as I know, EU member states can offer free parking to electric vehicles.
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montly prices in Paris are from 80€ to 200€, so i calculed 50% off for electric car. But as I see now thats only the limit by EU, Im sure the discount wont be that big.
EDIT: babbled about daily rates in American cities, then saw you'd said "monthly." Need caffeine....
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The French Autoroute turns 71 today. The first section of the Autoroute de l'Ouest (A13) opened on October 4, 1941 between Vaucresson and Orgeval in the western suburbs of Paris. A second section opened in June 1946, which may have been the first post-war opening in Europe.
It still seems strange to me that they were building autoroutes during the war. Was it open for civilians? (I've probably asked this before, but I don't remember the answer. :-) )
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Wartime motorway construction was chiefly executed in Germany and the Netherlands. There was hardly any motorway construction going on in other occupied territories. The Germans started a project in Denmark in 1941, but it wasn't finished. I assume most works for the 1946 opening in France were already done during the 1940s or even late 1930s, but not finished. As the war progressed, funding and materials became more dire for the Germans, and most public works were ceased in 1942. There were only one or two new Autobahn sections opened in 1943 as far as I know.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #2160
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Exactly, it was almost done in early 1940's.
The WWII put a stop to the work, in fact this section (with a tunnel) was used for storage during the war.
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