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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #2261
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Yes, if you are unlucky, and sometimes I was !
When a person had no credit card, no money and his cheque-book in the trunk, I was just behind him ! (A10 toll north of Bordeaux maybe 10-12 years ago).
I hate him !
I don't count people who are looking for money in all their car, pay with a big bill and let fall coins under the car, cannot open the door, lead two meters, come out car to go to pick up the money,.....Particularly when people are going in holidays.
I always payed with credit card ,and for three years, with "télépéage" (electronic system). A very good satisfaction.
Once, in the southern France, a retired people chose to take one of the only two elctronic ways where you can pass at 30 km/h without to stop of course.
And what happened because I was just behind him ?
He didn't have the electronic system. All was blocked during 2 minutes.
With people behind me. I hope with all headlights he received with horns by everybody he never did the same thing again !
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #2262
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I always pay by credit card along French toll roads. It's multiple times faster than the cash lanes.

Europe should introduce tolling interoperability, meaning that you can use the same transponder at every toll road in Europe. Much of the holiday congestion in France is caused by toll booths. It would still be congested with open road tolling, but the delays would be far less.
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #2263
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France have less and less cash lanes with a person who takes and gives back money.
It doesn't exist in my corner for two years when the three toll booths on the A63 (Biriatou at the border, Biarritz and Bénesse-Maremne) were rebuilt.
Before, congestion was very high ,with 3 to 10 km of congestion at the first toll gate from the north to the south when people went away on holidays.
Less jobs , too bad, but congestion has disappeared in big majority since these toll gates were rebuilt. There are twice more toll ways than before.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 03:51 AM   #2264
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^dans mon coin =/= in my corner
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Old December 30th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #2265
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Europe should introduce tolling interoperability, meaning that you can use the same transponder at every toll road in Europe. Much of the holiday congestion in France is caused by toll booths. It would still be congested with open road tolling, but the delays would be far less.
What is needed, in my opinion, is the elimination of all toll booths. Tolling should be implemented, if at all, intelligently (for example, like in Hungary or Israel). Cameras record number plates at 100+ kmh and the registered owner is billed if not pre-paid. I cannot see any possible justification for toll booths in the 21st century.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 09:50 AM   #2266
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What is needed, in my opinion, is the elimination of all toll booths. Tolling should be implemented, if at all, intelligently (for example, like in Hungary or Israel). Cameras record number plates at 100+ kmh and the registered owner is billed if not pre-paid. I cannot see any possible justification for toll booths in the 21st century.
Anything better than more camera's. And tracing 1000s of foreign plates is not exactly cost effective.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #2267
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Anything better than more camera's.
You'd rather queue to pay a toll at a toll booth where your number plate will be photographed than drive past a camera at 100+ kph???

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And tracing 1000s of foreign plates is not exactly cost effective.
It doesn't seem to be a problem in Hungary. If a car with foreign plates doesn't have an electronic vignette (buy over the Internet or at any petrol station) then, I'm told, the police are automatically alerted and the car may be stopped.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 12:44 AM   #2268
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You'd rather queue to pay a toll at a toll booth where your number plate will be photographed than drive past a camera at 100+ kph???

It doesn't seem to be a problem in Hungary. If a car with foreign plates doesn't have an electronic vignette (buy over the Internet or at any petrol station) then, I'm told, the police are automatically alerted and the car may be stopped.
I drive through Europe and all over France in a van for a living. I hardly ever have to queue at toll plazas. I get my ticket, I pay by card at the other end, and I get a better move on in France than anywhere else. And I think it's very easy for foreigners to dodge paying in Hungary. I don't even pay sometimes when I'm in and out at nightime doing a delivery in Komaron. When I do pay I often have to queue at the toll booths after the border. (or having to stop at the petrol station, using toll booth is optional)
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Old January 9th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #2269
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A card is always enough in France, but i use it more for other things than paying the underground for my car



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Old January 10th, 2013, 01:23 AM   #2270
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nice video. bypassing Paris by A104? do you speak french? because the lyrics of the song on the radio you're listining to is really n'importe quoi
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Old January 13th, 2013, 03:20 PM   #2271
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Yes, its a bypass to the N3 (Meaux).
My french is good enough for the music radios there, i'm also listening them (and a few others) in Germany by mobile phone cause the "Hitradios" here are the biggest shit in the world.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #2272
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^dans mon coin =/= in my corner
Yes, in my corner !!
I don't know if this phrase is good in english, but I translated it without to know if it was understandable.
In french, it means a place where the person lives around.
I don't use a translator to tell what I want. I only use my school memories and what I read in forums.
Capito ?
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Old January 14th, 2013, 01:48 AM   #2273
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it's understandable, but sounds funny
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Old January 14th, 2013, 04:54 AM   #2274
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The phrase "in my corner" has a different meaning in English, that comes from boxing. It means to be on one's side in any sort of dispute or conflict.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 12:18 PM   #2275
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^never heard. Both british and american?
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Old January 14th, 2013, 02:01 PM   #2276
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it's understandable, but sounds funny
Maybe, and maybe more for Parisians (people from Paris) and in the north, because they smile all the time when I speak to them with my accent from the south west !
A sort of singing accent.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 02:04 PM   #2277
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The phrase "in my corner" has a different meaning in English, that comes from boxing. It means to be on one's side in any sort of dispute or conflict.
Thanks for the info. i will be less stupid tonight.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 05:05 PM   #2278
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Both british and american?
Yes, but perhaps more widely used in the States.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #2279
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I don't think that I've heard that before
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Old January 17th, 2013, 03:52 PM   #2280
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