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Old July 22nd, 2013, 09:57 PM   #2441
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Yes, I agree with my colleague, it is a major route between the north and southwestern Europe. More Morocco. We see more and more trucks from there.
Maybe soon from Senegal ?
Seriously, we need a 3+3 highway between the spanish border and St Geours de Maremne (exit 70 km after the border towards some smalls cities to the east, more Toulouse and Agen with the Garonne valley with a lot of fresh products.)
Widening between the border and Biarritz tollgate will begin this autumn for 4 years.
The A63 is already 3+3 between Biarritz and Ondres (exit 7) because of the A64, harbour and aeronautics industries.
No widening is planned between exit 7 and 9 (st geours de maremne).
The main problem is towards Bordeaux between the interchange 22 (Arcachon Bay) and the Bordeaux ringroad.
The traffic is completely congested in the morning (7.30 at 9.30 am) and the afternoon (5 at 7 pm).
A small accident at any moment and all is blocked. A nightmare.
The western section of the ringroad is only 2 +2 and nobody knows when roadworks for the widening in 3+3 of these two road problems will be solved.
Bordeaux needs an other bypass by the east I think but all previsions have been deleted.
For political reasons, environmental (wine and two big rivers to cross) and cost.

I like the second bypass of my basque neighbour in SS and Bilbao.
When they decide to do something to have a good traffic, they do !
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 10:35 PM   #2442
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Does somebody know AADT of main roads in the south west of France ?
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 11:01 PM   #2443
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http://www.dir.atlantique.developpem...nuel-a309.html

N10 (now converted to A63) carried 30.000 vehicles per day during the last count in 2010. 30 - 33% are trucks.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 11:18 PM   #2444
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N10 (now converted to A63) carried 30.000 vehicles per day during the last count in 2010. 30 - 33% are trucks.
Thank you very much !
Do you know at which number of vehicles they decide to built a 2+2 , 3+3 ,etc.... ?
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 04:33 AM   #2445
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Thank you very much !
Do you know at which number of vehicles they decide to built a 2+2 , 3+3 ,etc.... ?
Depends much on % of trucks among traffic. One truck has the effect of around 3.5-4.0 cars on traffic on normal highways, more on steep grades.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 03:09 PM   #2446
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33% of trucks is insane. I think no Spanish road has such a share of heavy traffic.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 03:12 PM   #2447
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N-II has a truck share of 71%.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 09:04 PM   #2448
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Yes. Parallel on the A10 between Bordeaux and Poitiers there is a dual carriageway where all the lorries go as it's toll free. Hardly any freight traffic on the A10. I stick with the A10 because I don't pay tolls anyway, my boss does due to little freight traffic can get to either Paris or Bordeaux fast.

Do we have statistics for freight traffic on that parallel road? Can't remember the route number...
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N10 runs from Poitiers via Angoulême to near Bordeaux. Traffic volumes are mostly around 20 000 vehicles per day (truck share 30 - 45%) except in Angoulême where 44 000 vehicles per day are recorded (truck share 24%)

Truck shares are the highest south of Angoulême, generally 40 - 45%. North of Angoulême the share is 30 - 37%.

There are no statistics available for toll roads. Concessionaires usually do not hand out detailed traffic volume information because their shares are traded on the stock market. Perhaps some data can be found with environmental reports.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 10:18 PM   #2450
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One question: if now the new N10 is tolled, is there a free alternative? Before I think N10 was a duplication of the old road, so where is the alternative? I don't know if you understand me
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 11:10 PM   #2451
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One question: if now the new N10 is tolled, is there a free alternative? Before I think N10 was a duplication of the old road, so where is the alternative? I don't know if you understand me

See my post July 20, 2013 11.07 pm
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 11:12 PM   #2452
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Yes. Parallel on the A10 between Bordeaux and Poitiers there is a dual carriageway where all the lorries go as it's toll free. Hardly any freight traffic on the A10. I stick with the A10 because I don't pay tolls anyway, my boss does due to little freight traffic can get to either Paris or Bordeaux fast.

Do we have statistics for freight traffic on that parallel road? Can't remember the route number...
You prefer to take the A 10 instead of N 10 between Poitiers and Bordeaux ?
You only win 15 minutes and your boss pays the toll.
You are lucky.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 11:15 PM   #2453
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N-II has a truck share of 71%.
N I between Miranda and Burgos has a big trucks traffic also.
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N-II has a truck share of 71%.
That's insanely high. Where on the N-II is that and what's the overall AADT?
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Old July 24th, 2013, 10:23 AM   #2455
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You prefer to take the A 10 instead of N 10 between Poitiers and Bordeaux ?
You only win 15 minutes and your boss pays the toll.
You are lucky.
I did the N10 once a long time ago, when I did an assignment with a colleague who is a subcontractor on our way to Toledo , and he did have to pay his own tolls and fuel. We decided to stick together. It was at the time when coming from Calais the A28 from Rouen to Tours wasn't there yet, and the N10 at Angoulême wasn't fully 2x2. At that time I'd normally always use A26, A1 to Paris and just sit on the A10, N10 south of Bordeaux and A63. Now we ended up going via Rouen, Dreux, Chartres and join the A10 at Orleans. That route was very popular with Spanish and Portuguese truckers, and I vouched that I'd never go that way again.

Now, obviously since the A28 has been completed, I go via Rouen, Le Mans, Tours and join the A10 there. And I stick with the A10 all the way to Bordeaux...
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That's insanely high. Where on the N-II is that and what's the overall AADT?
Alfajarín-Fraga. AADT is 10.000 vehicles per day (2010).

N-232 west of Zaragoza and N-I east of Burgos also have truck shares of around 50%. I didn't really expect that.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 02:34 PM   #2457
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I will show you some pictures from my Roadtrip trough the EU+EFTA from 15/07/13 until 19/07/13.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #2458
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Old July 28th, 2013, 07:20 PM   #2459
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I did the N10 once a long time ago, when I did an assignment with a colleague who is a subcontractor on our way to Toledo , and he did have to pay his own tolls and fuel. We decided to stick together. It was at the time when coming from Calais the A28 from Rouen to Tours wasn't there yet, and the N10 at Angoulême wasn't fully 2x2. At that time I'd normally always use A26, A1 to Paris and just sit on the A10, N10 south of Bordeaux and A63. Now we ended up going via Rouen, Dreux, Chartres and join the A10 at Orleans. That route was very popular with Spanish and Portuguese truckers, and I vouched that I'd never go that way again.

Now, obviously since the A28 has been completed, I go via Rouen, Le Mans, Tours and join the A10 there. And I stick with the A10 all the way to Bordeaux...
Yes, if you don't want to lost your time, A10 is the best road to go towards Spain.
I've never used the "new" A28. Except when I go to Le Mans. Never after.
In Tours, I took the N10 by Vendôme, Chartres, Dreux, Evreux by the N154 when I went in Rouen or Le Havre. Or the N10 all the way to Paris when I went in the western suburb of the capital.
An other good road ; in Angoulême , I take the N 141 (towards Limoges), then N 145 (Bellac), the free A20 up to Vierzon, then N20 instead of the A20 to Orleans, and after, always the N 20 or A 10 to Paris.
I've never taken the tolled A10 between Bordeaux and Poitiers for goods transport. I agree it's more quiet and safe.
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