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Old July 28th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #2461
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Frejus tunnel in the Alps ?
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #2462
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yes, at least the portal could be nicer
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #2463
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Yes, that is no joke, I paid for the Frejustunnel 40,90€
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #2464
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what about the not tolled version?
http://goo.gl/maps/H4eCm or http://goo.gl/maps/n3rgC
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Old July 28th, 2013, 09:13 PM   #2465
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Wow, 40 euro is very expensive for 17 Km in a two lane road, even if it is a tunnel.
I took this tunnel three times but I was a kid, I was not interested by the price.
What I did remember is the long traffic jam before the tunnel.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #2466
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It will become 2+1 sooner or later, when the new single lane tube opens. The only question is when...
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Old July 28th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #2467
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Wow, 40 euro is very expensive for 17 Km in a two lane road, even if it is a tunnel.
I took this tunnel three times but I was a kid, I was not interested by the price.
What I did remember is the long traffic jam before the tunnel.
If there is a long traffic jam before the tunnel, that's an indicator that the toll is too low. Or perhaps you remember from a time before the toll?
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Old July 29th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #2468
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The non-tolled 1x1 road seems picturesque and nice, if you are not in a hurry, you could take it. Dunno in winter, to what altitude does it go?
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Old July 29th, 2013, 12:52 AM   #2469
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looks like up to 2100m
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Old July 29th, 2013, 12:54 AM   #2470
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That could be kind of high for extra summer season
The A10 in Austria if I am right goes to 1100 or something, and it had snow in November, so on the passes it was definitely worse.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #2471
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over 1200m goes A10. October on A10 looks like this: http://flic.kr/p/dkB96H
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Old July 31st, 2013, 01:28 AM   #2472
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voie Pompidou getting replaced by a beach:



http://www.france24.com/en/20130721-...es-beach-seine

I don't get the point of the beach without a bathing water.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 06:29 PM   #2473
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I've been on the first Paris Beach organized in 2002. Although I don't get it's meaning either, the number of visitors has grown each year.
Lately, for swimming, there is even a floating swimming pool. //offtopic
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Old July 31st, 2013, 06:51 PM   #2474
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If there is a long traffic jam before the tunnel, that's an indicator that the toll is too low. Or perhaps you remember from a time before the toll?
It is mostly because you don't much other choice than passing by this tunnel.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 07:10 PM   #2475
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It is mostly because you don't much other choice than passing by this tunnel.
There is always the choice of staying home. When demand exceeds supply (clearly the case if there is a long queue for the tunnel) then there are two options to bring about equilibrium: 1) increase supply by adding another tunnel or 2) decrease demand by raising the toll.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 10:31 PM   #2476
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Any ideas of building a second tube to Mt Blanc?
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Old August 1st, 2013, 10:50 PM   #2477
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For 5 000 vehicles per day? It would be safer, sure, and also provide some relief at a few busy winter sport weekends, but otherwise it costs way too much.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:41 PM   #2478
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For 5 000 vehicles per day?
That little? Nevermind then.

Thanks for the answer anyway.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:45 PM   #2479
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The tolls are € 40.90 one-way or € 51 return, which is cost-prohibitive for most people. It's far from larger cities and the high tolls prevents local cross-border shopping.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:47 PM   #2480
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Why are there long queues if the AADT is 5000?
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