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Old August 15th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #2521
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Let's remember tolls are very expensive on the Italian approaches of both tunnels (Fréjus and Monte Bianco).

And tolls were raised on the 2000s to help pay for the fire improvements post-fires.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 01:14 PM   #2522
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I made a video of motorways A6 and A7 through downtown Lyon.



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- 3:52 Tunnel de Fourvière
- 4:26 drive under Perrache multi-modal station
- 4:55 U/C Musée des Confluences
- 6:45 lovely old signage

It's by far the most impressive French motorway I've driven (obviously never driven in Paris ).

I'll try to cross the city via Périphérique next time I go there
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Old August 16th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #2523
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I made a video of motorways A6 and A7 through downtown Lyon.
I always wonder why the A6 motorway change the number on "A7" at all. It should be one motorway number from Paris to Marseille
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Old August 16th, 2013, 06:31 PM   #2524
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I always wonder why the A6 motorway change the number on "A7" at all. It should be one motorway number from Paris to Marseille
I always wondered that as well...
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Old August 16th, 2013, 07:55 PM   #2525
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Lyon is very nice city. 2x2 tunnel in the middle of 2.000.000 city? that's clever Perrache is pretty impressive, combines motorway, road, subway, tramway and bus station.
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I've always been very impressed with that A6, A7 through Lyon.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #2527
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is this the only place in France where motorway is limited to 50kmh?
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Old August 17th, 2013, 01:53 PM   #2528
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I always wonder why the A6 motorway change the number on "A7" at all. It should be one motorway number from Paris to Marseille
It's quite weird considering that they both are called "Autoroute du Soleil".
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Old August 17th, 2013, 02:02 PM   #2529
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is this the only place in France where motorway is limited to 50kmh?
A6 directly after Pherepheriqie in Paris?
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Old August 17th, 2013, 02:49 PM   #2530
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ok, but that's in the middle of interchange, there must be quite some places like that, also A3 starts like that, maybe A13 (I didn't check).

anyway, what's the official route for Marseille? I see the signage at north of Lyon directs transit to A46. and then?
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Old August 17th, 2013, 03:14 PM   #2531
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A1 - A2 Paris towards Valenciennes:


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Old August 17th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #2532
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anyway, what's the official route for Marseille? I see the signage at north of Lyon directs transit to A46. and then?
A6-A46-N346-A46-A7. The N346 is A46 in drag, and is voie express.
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It's quite weird considering that they both are called "Autoroute du Soleil".
I believe it is as the A6 was built from Paris - Lyon, beginning by following the N6 and the A7 was built from Marseille to Lyon, mostly following the N7.

The 90 degree corner near where the number changes somewhat suggests that they were not meant to end end-on. IIRC, they plan on downgrading the section in the middle of the city, including this turn - they will stop meeting. However, that plan, IIRC, relies on the COL (Contournment Ouest Lyon) autoroute (A44) that bypasses the city to the west.

The A71/A75 number change was deliberate though, with the southern section of A71 and northern section of A75 opening at the same time and well before the rest of the A75 was built.

And as someone who got fed up with questions about the Carlisle - Gretna - Glasgow route's numbering in the GB thread and out-loud said something along the lines of "the French thread isn't full of questions about the A6/A7 in France. Or the even more mysterious A71/A75 change. Why can't people just shut up about this quirk?", but also loves road numbering quirks, I'm having mixed feelings about this topic.

The A61-A62 "Autoroute des deux Meres" is another one. It is quite the gallic thing to have numbers change at cities.

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List of end-on-Autoroutes (ignoring a/b variants and the non-suffixed route)

A4-A35
A6-A7
A6b-A10
A10-A630
A11-A844-A82
A26-A216
A46-A47
A48-A480 (as A48 into Grenoble recently downgraded)
A480-A51
A50-A57 (only recently linked)
A71-A75
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Routes through Lyon are variable according to volumes of traffic. Same system around Paris. I usually stick with A6 and A7.
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....The A61-A62 "Autoroute des deux Meres" is another one....

I'm having a vision of two little old ladies shouting at each other.

(It's "Deux Mers" - Two Seas. For obvious reasons.)

Not making fun of you, but it was amusing.

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Routes through Lyon are variable according to volumes of traffic. Same system around Paris. I usually stick with A6 and A7.
What is an "official route for Marseille" (or anywhere else) anyway? You don't have to do what the signs tell you if you know the route numbers.
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Do you have any motorways/stretches in construction or upgraiding? I heard that France planing upgrade highways in Bretagne and built/reconstruct some motorways stretches.
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What is an "official route for Marseille" (or anywhere else) anyway? You don't have to do what the signs tell you if you know the route numbers.
A6, A7. It's the most straightforward route. You don't have to take any exits anywhere between Paris and Marseille...
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I'm saying the idea that there's an "official route for Marseille" - by which I assume Hofburg means the way the signs for Marseille lead you - seems a little strange to me. There's nothing "official" about it. (Of course, coming from a country where relying on "control cities" won't get you all that far....) You look at the map, see that option A is shorter but option B avoids a major city, think about how many people will be using option B because it avoids said major city, listen to the traffic reports....
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Lyon is very nice city. 2x2 tunnel in the middle of 2.000.000 city? that's clever
Fourviere tunnel is not famous for its traffic jam in all over the country for no reason.
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A6-A46-N346-A46-A7. The N346 is A46 in drag, and is voie express.
any particular reason why A46 is downgraded to expressway N346?
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