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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:34 PM   #2541
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A43 from St-Jean-de-Maurienne to junction with A430

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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #2542
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A peak of 877 km of traffic jam today, still over 500 km of traffic jam at 7 PM.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #2543
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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #2544
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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #2545
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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #2546
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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #2547
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any particular reason why A46 is downgraded to expressway N346?
Other way around - "any particular reason why the N346 hasn't been upgraded to A46?"
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I'm having a vision of two little old ladies shouting at each other.

(It's "Deux Mers" - Two Seas. For obvious reasons.)
That's the problem of working from memory of how to spell something in a language that you haven't studied for a long time...
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I'm saying the idea that there's an "official route for Marseille" - by which I assume Hofburg means the way the signs for Marseille lead you - seems a little strange to me.
I assumed that is what Hofburg meant to, but didn't find the idea strange.
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There's nothing "official" about it.
Surely there is? It's the way that official bodies/officials want you to go. Of course they aren't forcing you, but they are telling you "go this way to get to this place".
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You look at the map, see that option A is shorter but option B avoids a major city, think about how many people will be using option B because it avoids said major city, listen to the traffic reports....
Yes, of course there's many options.

RoadUK chose to divert from the 'official' signed route by going through Lyon: your 'option A' for shorter. The 'official' signed route takes your 'option B' and dodges Lyon. Traffic reports might send you all sorts of different ways to avoid problems - eg following the Paris ver A5 signage at the A19 junction, etc. However the existence of other routes does not negate the 'official' status of the signed route.

The other day, I hit a diversion. SatNav said take minor roads to avoid it, but the offical, signed, diversion (which I took as I could see how crazy the Sat Nav was being, basically dumping me on the bit that was closed having taken some really narrow lanes to get there) went via major A roads. Coming back, I took my own unofficial diversion that was considerably shorter than (only 1 mile longer than the direct route, not over 5 miles longer) and on main roads (contra Sat Nav).
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Old August 17th, 2013, 09:20 PM   #2548
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Other way around - "any particular reason why the N346 hasn't been upgraded to A46?"
Here, I'm going to take a turn at interpreting Hofburg. From a chronological point of view, you're right; the N346 hasn't been upgraded, but from a, spatial I guess, point of view, the A46 downgrades to Route Nationale for a stretch and I assume he's asking why.

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Surely there is? It's the way that official bodies/officials want you to go.
Sure. Just that coming from a country where we tend to navigate by route numbers rather than destinations (and where sensible posting of destinations is unreliable, to put it mildly...), I'd treat such things as, at most, recommendations. Which I disregard all the time. (I ignore this "Baltimore" probably nine times out of ten, since both routes will actually get you there...: https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...12,217.14,,0,0 )
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Old August 18th, 2013, 11:52 AM   #2549
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D1212 from Albertville to Ugine
Wonderful! I have to visit this part of France some day.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #2550
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Is there any solution planned to get the tollbooth of Biriatou wider at the Spanish-French boarder? I know that the tollbooth was rebuild recently, but it causes a traffic jam about 10km in these days back to the Irun tollbooth.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 11:48 AM   #2551
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Probably the best motorways in Europe but way too expansive !
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Old August 31st, 2013, 01:02 PM   #2552
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Is there any solution planned to get the tollbooth of Biriatou wider at the Spanish-French boarder? I know that the tollbooth was rebuild recently, but it causes a traffic jam about 10km in these days back to the Irun tollbooth.
It used to be a lot worse before they've demolished the frontier plaza. I've been stuck there starting way beyond San Sebastian through to Le Boulou toll plaza. Especially in the summer holidays they'd often let you go for free at all three toll plazas between border and N10.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 01:46 PM   #2553
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It used to be a lot worse before they've demolished the frontier plaza. I've been stuck there starting way beyond San Sebastian through to Le Boulou toll plaza. Especially in the summer holidays they'd often let you go for free at all three toll plazas between border and N10.
¿Le Boulou? That's some 500+ kilometers of queue...
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Old August 31st, 2013, 03:01 PM   #2554
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Well... The first peage after the border at Irun...
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Old August 31st, 2013, 04:32 PM   #2555
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Well... The first peage after the border at Irun...
It is called Biriatou.
Pass the tollbooth for free? Never had this luck. Are you sure about that?
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:30 PM   #2556
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Yes. A few times in the summer it was so over congested that they simply kept the barriers open... Mostly the French returning home from Spain and Portugal...
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:23 PM   #2557
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That's nice! Never had that happen before. And they demolished the plaza at the border, you mean where you had to throw coins into these litttle metal basket? I haven't been there for years.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 08:52 AM   #2558
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No I actually meant the frontier facility buildings. The actual toll plazas are still there...
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:10 PM   #2559
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They build a new tollbooth a few meters closer to the boarder.

I´m wondering why there is such a congestion only at this tollbooth. I guess 99% of the traffic passed the Irun tollbooth, too and they continue via A63 to the next stupid tollbooth, but there isn´t such a congestion like Biriatou.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 01:08 PM   #2560
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I live near the frontier between Spain and France and some days ago I went to an hypermarket in Baiona (Bayonne). We taken A8 motorway in spanish side and 5 km after Biriatou it was congested. My parents get nervous and we taken the exit in Irun to take the N10 in Hendaye. The A8-A63 was collapsed but N10 was good. Light traffic, we were surprised.

Biriatou toll is a trap I think. The main reason of a motorway is to lighten the traffic and this toll don't help.
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