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Old October 11th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #2841
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They cannot charge that tax in Brittany it seems, some 500 year old treaty prevents the French state from levying tolls there.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 04:44 AM   #2842
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Traffic heading roughly in a straight line through Paris is signed to not go round Paris. I was surprised to see 'A4 Metz-Nancy' signed via the N104, what with the E50 going to the BP and then out again.
Actually, some maps (IGN's notably - France's equivalent of the Ordnance Survey) show the E5, E15 and E50 avoiding the Périphérique and using the Francilienne (or in the case of the E5, a messier routing along, if memory serves, the A10/N118/N286/N12/A12/A13 or something like that. The inconsistency from one map to another on how the E-routes are routed in France - not just the Paris area - is striking.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 11:44 AM   #2843
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Technically, E-routes are not defined to the road level in Europe. The UNECE maps only show which cities they serve, not which roads they take to get there. So there is some freedom in signposting E-routes in cases of dense road networks.

E5 is somewhat of a joke anyway, it runs from the Spanish border to Le Havre, via Paris. It's a detour of nearly 100 kilometers and you'll run into congestion. It makes much more sense to use A28 via Le Mans.

But in most of Europe, people don't navigate by E-numbers, except in countries where they are the primary road numbers signposted.
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Old October 12th, 2014, 02:47 AM   #2844
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Actually, some maps (IGN's notably - France's equivalent of the Ordnance Survey) show the E5, E15 and E50 avoiding the Périphérique and using the Francilienne (or in the case of the E5, a messier routing along, if memory serves, the A10/N118/N286/N12/A12/A13 or something like that. The inconsistency from one map to another on how the E-routes are routed in France - not just the Paris area - is striking.
Indeed, and those routes are consistent with elsewhere (eg Lyon, where E roads are signed on the bypass). However signs send you through Paris, rather than around anything other than the centre.
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Old October 12th, 2014, 10:12 AM   #2845
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Technically, E-routes are not defined to the road level in Europe. The UNECE maps only show which cities they serve, not which roads they take to get there. So there is some freedom in signposting E-routes in cases of dense road networks.

E5 is somewhat of a joke anyway, it runs from the Spanish border to Le Havre, via Paris. It's a detour of nearly 100 kilometers and you'll run into congestion. It makes much more sense to use A28 via Le Mans.

But in most of Europe, people don't navigate by E-numbers, except in countries where they are the primary road numbers signposted.
The A28 is fairly new, and has made a lot of difference in c

Sorry I'll finish this later. Been driving three days in a row wih 3 hours sleep in total. I was going to explain something about the new A28 alternative via Rouen, Alencon, Le Mans and Tours en route to Bordeaux, but I need to sleep... I just came from there.
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Old October 12th, 2014, 11:21 AM   #2846
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Paris ring, porte Maillot interchange, southwards.

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Old October 12th, 2014, 01:13 PM   #2847
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I don't get why they put the marked thing there instead on top.

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Old October 12th, 2014, 02:06 PM   #2848
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Not too much space before the diversion, actually, no space. That's true that this way the signage is hidden from the surrounding urban space, and one of the supports is actually the side wall of the ramp, but from an utility point of view, it is not a good place for that sign.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 05:05 PM   #2849
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N296 Aix-en-Provence

The N296 is an expressway through the city of Aix-en-Provence. It connects both legs of A51 (Marseille - Gap).



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Old October 16th, 2014, 06:15 PM   #2850
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A51 Aix-en-Provence - Gap

Some photos of A51 from Aix-en-Provence to Gap in southeastern France. It's quite a scenic route.


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Old October 16th, 2014, 06:37 PM   #2851
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Like upstate New York or northern New England, but without the foliage.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 01:31 PM   #2852
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Foliage in Southern France happens in late October/early November.
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Old October 19th, 2014, 12:47 PM   #2853
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A7, Marseille

Autoroute A7 into the city of Marseille. I filmed this in early September.

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Old October 20th, 2014, 03:15 AM   #2854
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Upgrading the Mont Blanc Tunnel?

Is there any plans on upgrading the Mont Bland Tunnel to make it a proper highway? Perhaps make room for high speed train aswell?

It would serve the region well; making Geneva-Milano a fast trip!
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Old October 20th, 2014, 04:03 AM   #2855
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Yes, it is in the form of a Lyons Turin TGV line though.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 12:19 PM   #2856
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Yes, it is in the form of a Lyons Turin TGV line though.
Ah, so only the Lyon-Turin tunnel, not Mont Blanc?

TGV is great, but there are alot of cars and trucks passing through the Mont Blanc aswell.
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Not that much. If you look at the corresponding motorways on both the French and Italian sides, it's quiet as hell. And then there's a safety issue involved as well. That Belgian lorry fire inside the tunnel years ago killing dozens of people really freaked them out...
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The average AADT is only 4,900 vehicles per day. There are only a few days per year of peak holiday traffic when there is congestion at the Mont Blanc Tunnel. Of course a second tube would be safer.

The tolls in that area are very steep. The tunnel itself is of course the most expensive (over € 40 for a single trip) but the adjoining motorway segments are also one of the most expensive in both France and Italy.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #2859
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Not that much. If you look at the corresponding motorways on both the French and Italian sides, it's quiet as hell. And then there's a safety issue involved as well. That Belgian lorry fire inside the tunnel years ago killing dozens of people really freaked them out...
Lorry fires, Belgian or otherwise, in tunnels that kill dozens of people are apt to have that effect....
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Hence the strict saftey measures in order to prevent this happening again.

This...



...claimed the lives of 39 people, so...





These little blue lights you see below are to indicate the distance you are required to keep between you and the vehicle in front of you. These a standard in tunnels in all over France...



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