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Old October 22nd, 2014, 01:43 AM   #2861
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Looks great.
But has there been any estimates on a second tube and how much it would cost?
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 02:21 AM   #2862
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It is not just a second tube, there is a lot of local resistance to extra traffic on the alpine road network leading to the current single tube. Therefore the inclination is to keep the toll high at €40 per car plus and the high tolls will keep the traffic well below the 10k AADT a day that might justify the second bore.

If they halved the toll and doubled the traffic then they would still have the same revenue as today but the pressure to spend _a lot_ of money on a second bore would be much higher. It cost €200m to fix it after the fire.

So they are kinda trapped and therefore they won't drop the toll, dammit they might even increase it above the rate of inflation.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 06:58 PM   #2863
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I see. Thanks for the info!
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Old October 25th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #2864
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Just back from the Paris area, where I spent almost a week with my family and friends

The A16 stretch between the Beauvais-Nord exit and the Amblainville toll plaza has been entirely repaved & is in excellent condition.
However, there are roadworks just after the toll plaza, for a few kilometers southwards.
I had the feeling that the A15 stretch between Saint-Ouen-L'Aumône and Franconville has also been repaved.
That's for the good news the Paris area & its extension in Picardy

However, coming from Lithuania, I had forgotten how horrible it is to drive with my nose on the speedometer all the time (especially that the car I drove had no cruise control!) and how people are agressive behind the wheel in the Paris area.
A 55-60 year-old Arab (!) wanted to fight with me because ... I simply told him to turn on his lights ! (I was moving from a lane to another in the A14 tunnel under La Défense & I saw him only in the last moment). & I saw a couple of other situations like that: one person horning at the second very gently and the other reacting violently. I really don't miss my former life there !
Notabene - a couple of days ago, after a fight, a Mercedes driver killed on purpose a motorcyclist in the same tunnel ...
The funniest part was perhaps remembering what real traffic jams are (1 hour for a 3km stretch, 20 minutes of which stuck behind an RATP bus is - as a matter of fact - very ecological according to our great theorists)
The most horrible part was driving on the Périphérique during the night between Sunday and Monday. At 80km/h, it was very boring. At 70km/h, it becomes very dangerous. I hadn't drank anything & I was almost getting asleep - just as a couple of drivers around me not sticking to their lanes...
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Old October 25th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #2865
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And I somehow feel they'll make it 50 km/h in the next elections. And afterwards, they may even close the whole Périphérique and turn it into another beach, or a concentration camp for unwanted tourists.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 10:54 PM   #2866
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Écotaxe is definetly dead?

Just another example about our French "specificity" - the protests about the Écotaxe.
I know this had already been mentioned in this thread, and the idea was to make a similar system to - for instance - ViaToll in Poland, and ensure truck drivers will finance the local road infrastructure maintaining. However, after the protests. I am typing these words as a late reply to ChrisZwolle's post from last week.

When I was in France I heard this on TV: as our "courageous" government is looking for a way to compensate the non-functioning of the Écotaxe, they will most probably increase the diesel price (I heard on BFM TV it shall be 0,043 EUR.)
Of course, this will not ensure foreign trucks will pay for maintaining the infrastructure in France.
However, we must all bear in mind that - as a very "ecologist" country, France keeps the diesel price very low (last week 1,23 EUR to 1,28 EUR, which is pretty much the Lithuanian price !!!!!).
Meanwhile, unleaded 95 costs 1,49-1,56 EUR and LPG 0,80-0,96 EUR. Where is the coherence of all this ? ....
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Old October 26th, 2014, 01:43 AM   #2867
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my record in Paris is 1h for 200 meters on an exit ramp from peripherique. and it was even after 9 p.m.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #2868
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A9, Montpellier

Construction on the new A9 around Montpellier was officially started today. They will construct a new alignment of A9 with a length of 25 kilometers. The project cost is € 800 million and will be completed late 2017. It will significantly relieve the A9 of traffic congestion, as traffic will be able to bypass Montpellier without having to go through toll booths - a major source of summer holiday congestion.

The new A9 alignment is one of the largest motorway projects in France in the coming years. The old A9 will be converted to an urban expressway after the new motorway opens.

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http://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-ser...hp#xtor=CS1-33

Project website: http://www.deplacement-a9.fr/

It will be partially a 'motorway within a motorway'. About 12 km is new alignment, the rest is a doubling of the existing alignment from 6 to 12 lanes. It will also be one of the widest motorways in France.

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Old October 29th, 2014, 08:58 PM   #2869
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It will significantly relieve the A9 of traffic congestion, as traffic will be able to bypass Montpellier without having to go through toll booths - a major source of summer holiday congestion.
Wouldn't something like E-ZPass express lanes be cheaper? , sort of.
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Old October 29th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #2870
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Current A9 is a 2x3 motorway that carries more than 100,000 vehicles a day. Even with no toll booths, there would still be serious problems, as the existing interchanges are badly congested. Plus, there's little space to widen the existing road in the central section. The new motorway will use a new right-of-way further East, next to a new high-speed railway.

They should also speed up the upgrades in N113 between Montpellier and Nîmes, which are continously being pushed back, and widen A9 between Montpellier and Béziers. That section is hell every Friday or Sunday in summer, and the parallel road is useless even for local traffic.

When the A9a/A9b multiplex is complete, you'll be able to drive between the Toulouse and Lyon with no need to stop at toll booths. This is 500+ kilometers.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 12:47 AM   #2871
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A9 around Montpellier is really bussy,just see the number of vehicles:
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Old October 30th, 2014, 04:57 PM   #2872
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I shot that video on a very quiet day. Traffic jams can be 50+ kilometers long and begin way before Montpellier.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #2873
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End of écotaxe confirmation (article in French)

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"The government has decided to terminate the partnership agreement with Ecomouv signed on October 20th, 2011" Secretary of State for Transportation Alain Vidal announced on Thursday, Oct. 30th in the Senate . The letter of termination with the company in charge of managing the device environmental tax - buried on 9 October by the Minister of Ecology Segolene Royal - will mention "doubts" on "the validity of the original contract in the light of constitutional requirements that apply to the state where it entrusts a private people the management of some activities ", explained Alain Vidal. [...]
I am really wondering where they will get the money from and why did this government do that ... French socialists have nothing to lose in making reforms - they're bound to lose the next couple of elections anyway !
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Old October 30th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #2874
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€ 1 billion down the drain!

http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2014...qu-en-2014.php
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 09:07 PM   #2875
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A52 Aix-en-Provence - Aubagne

Some photos of A52 in southern France. It is a short 27 km motorway that links A8 with A50. It's an easy access to the Toulon area without having to go through Marseille.


A52-4 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr


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Old November 3rd, 2014, 01:50 AM   #2876
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How much compensation will the French state pay for abandoning theEcotax gantry system, some rumours say it could cost €10Bn in compensation payments.
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Old November 4th, 2014, 08:04 PM   #2877
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A570 Toulon - Hyères

Some photos of A570 eastbound from Toulon to Hyères. The motorway is lined with palm trees.


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Guys i have a question for you.Is A20 tolled or not ?
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Oui: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A20_autoroute

EDIT: At least the southern part is.
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Old November 8th, 2014, 11:48 AM   #2880
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Guys i have a question for you.Is A20 tolled or not ?
Not entirely. At least from Vierzon to Brive-La-Gaillarde, it isn't. I always tried to take that motorway when going to Southern France.
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