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Old April 26th, 2015, 11:50 PM   #3101
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Fire risk there?

Doesn't look a prime location for forest fires
All the area is strictly protected against forest fires. Some roads, such as the one leading to Calanque de Sormiou in Marseille, are closed all summer days. And if fire risk is exceptionally high, some calanques are also closed to pedestrians. The official website of Calanques de Marseille natural park has some detailed information on scheduled road closures and fires in the park. The main risk is wind associated to fire. Wind gusts over 100 km/h are very common, and that way fire can spread quickly. Mistral wind is everywhere in Marseille area; and it blows very hard -you don't realize it until you feel it.

There are similar restrictions in nearby natural spaces. For example, La Sainte-Baume mountain is closed for pedestrians when fire risk is especially high. They put signs banning pedestrians on the roads that climb to it. It sounds (and is) a bit odd to ban people from the countryside, but the French love to ban stuff
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Old April 30th, 2015, 03:03 PM   #3102
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A8 Cannes / Nice

A video of A8 in the Cannes / Nice area. It is said to be the busiest stretch of motorway outside of Paris, but I haven't been able to find any exact traffic counts. The eight-lane section may be over 200,000 vehicles per day.

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Old April 30th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #3103
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I don't think so. I've checked it on Sunday .
Look here.
It seems to be an official source.

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Old May 1st, 2015, 02:24 PM   #3104
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A video of A8 in the Cannes / Nice area. It is said to be the busiest stretch of motorway outside of Paris, but I haven't been able to find any exact traffic counts. The eight-lane section may be over 200,000 vehicles per day.

According to 2010 data (the newest one I've found), the highest AADT on the A8 around Nice is 132.900 veh/day on the stretch which is closest to the airport.

Outside of Paris, I've found that for example the A7 on the access to Marseilles got a highest AADT, over 140.000 veh/day.
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The busiest stretch is probably between Cagnes-sur-Mer and Saint-Laurent-du-Var, as it has eight lanes.

I noticed how poorly the Voie Mathis is connected to A8. Google Maps suggests a very circuitous route.
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Old May 1st, 2015, 06:15 PM   #3106
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Outside of Paris, I've found that for example the A7 on the access to Marseilles got a highest AADT, over 140.000 veh/day.
I think you can find higher on the Boulevard Périphérique of Lyon around Villeurbanne but it is not an autoroute.
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Old May 2nd, 2015, 02:15 PM   #3107
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But in contrast to Marseille and Lyon this motorway is tolled and the rates are not lower than elsewhere. I wonder where all the money goes to.

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I noticed how poorly the Voie Mathis is connected to A8. Google Maps suggests a very circuitous route.
A8 to Voie Mathis is quite easy although its not for big trucks and there is a funny traffic light involved after which access to Voie Mathis starts as a left hand road!

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The other direction is not so simple, but the exits 50 and 51 of A8 are in complete reconstruction. I don't know how it will look like at the end.

However very annoying I found the connection between the two main roads here, the former N7 (M6007 which includes Voie Mathis) and the former N98 (the coastal road M6098). Both share the same bridge over the river Var, but the interconnecion is very poor. When coming from the West on N98 you can't switch over to N7. Even the two big junctions on both ends of the bridge don't offer this connection. It would be necessary to go from N98 to A8 before the bridge and then follow the route in my link above, the exit with the queue in the video (its not tolled).
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Old May 2nd, 2015, 03:03 PM   #3108
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A video of A8 in the Cannes / Nice area. It is said to be the busiest stretch of motorway outside of Paris, but I haven't been able to find any exact traffic counts. The eight-lane section may be over 200,000 vehicles per day.
I see they are rebuilding that crazy curve just West of Nice. I had never seen such a low permanent speed limit on a motorway mainline before I saw that 50 km/h limit on that curve, and I've never seen any after that.
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Old May 2nd, 2015, 04:26 PM   #3109
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I see they are rebuilding that crazy curve just West of Nice. I had never seen such a low permanent speed limit on a motorway mainline before I saw that 50 km/h limit on that curve, and I've never seen any after that.
Spain has worse corners
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Old May 2nd, 2015, 05:26 PM   #3110
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I see they are rebuilding that crazy curve just West of Nice. I had never seen such a low permanent speed limit on a motorway mainline before I saw that 50 km/h limit on that curve, and I've never seen any after that.
There is the A7 in Lyon
https://www.google.fr/maps/@45.74819...V0BQ!2e0?hl=en

The A7 in Lyon is not up to autoroute standards, especially on the Mulatière bridge.
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Old May 2nd, 2015, 07:00 PM   #3111
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Autoroute A350 in Strasbourg has been declassed to N2350. It's a 1200 meter long autoroute, more like a big exit than an actual motorway.

http://legifrance.gouv.fr/affichText...tegorieLien=id

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Old May 2nd, 2015, 08:38 PM   #3112
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Autoroute A350 in Strasbourg has been declassed to N2350. It's a 1200 meter long autoroute, more like a big exit than an actual motorway.
Usually declassed motorway gets "D" number. Four-digit national road number is a liitle strange thing.
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M2205 Vallée de Tinée

A video of road M2205 through the Tinée River Valley north of Nice, into the Mercantour National Park. I was surprised by the four-lane 110 km/h stretch in the middle of nowhere.

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Old May 3rd, 2015, 06:30 PM   #3114
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A video of road M2205 through the Tinée River Valley north of Nice, into the Mercantour National Park. I was surprised by the four-lane 110 km/h stretch in the middle of nowhere.
These "hidden" four-lane stretches are not uncommon in France (1, 2, 3).
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 07:16 PM   #3115
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A video of road M2205 through the Tinée River Valley north of Nice, into the Mercantour National Park. I was surprised by the four-lane 110 km/h stretch in the middle of nowhere.
I had the same w.t.h. feeling when driving there some years ago.
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I was surprised by the four-lane 110 km/h stretch in the middle of nowhere.
The bicyclist on the stretch with 110km/h speed limit is suprising too
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These "hidden" four-lane stretches are not uncommon in France (1, 2, 3).
I've been on number 2 and 3

I wonder what people in such valleys do for a living, when they live way out in the boonies. It's really far from any facilities like supermarkets or jobs. Some will probably work in tourism, but there isn't a lot of agriculture possible and tourism's only a few months per year (there were many signs for ski areas).

Imagine going skiing in Isola 2000, and then having a drink 2 hours later on a beach under the palm trees in Nice.
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I've been on number 2 and 3

I wonder what people in such valleys do for a living, when they live way out in the boonies. It's really far from any facilities like supermarkets or jobs. Some will probably work in tourism, but there isn't a lot of agriculture possible and tourism's only a few months per year (there were many signs for ski areas).

Imagine going skiing in Isola 2000, and then having a drink 2 hours later on a beach under the palm trees in Nice.
This is why alpine small towns have been withering population since WW1. Some towns are now also gearing up more and more for summer tourism (rafting, hiking etc).
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The bicyclist on the stretch with 110km/h speed limit is suprising too
Why? They're allowed in this type of road, there's no restriction to motor vehicles.

There are many countries that allow bicycles in roads with a speed limit higher than 100 km/h.

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I've been on number 2 and 3

I wonder what people in such valleys do for a living, when they live way out in the boonies. It's really far from any facilities like supermarkets or jobs. Some will probably work in tourism, but there isn't a lot of agriculture possible and tourism's only a few months per year (there were many signs for ski areas).

Imagine going skiing in Isola 2000, and then having a drink 2 hours later on a beach under the palm trees in Nice.
There's a growing rural tourism industry in these villages. We have the same trend in Spain. More and more people enjoy hiking, climbing and other mountain sports, and this has been a breath of fresh air for mountain regions that were having a steady population decline since the Industrial Revolution.
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A video of road M2205 through the Tinée River Valley north of Nice, into the Mercantour National Park. I was surprised by the four-lane 110 km/h stretch in the middle of nowhere.
Heck, it was re-lettered in 2012, yet my 2014 road atlas still shows it as D2205 (former N205, first version). It seems metropolitan roads go all the way up to the Col de la Bonnette summit, way out from Nice! . On the other hand, M6202 reverts to D6202 soon after the M2205 turnoff.
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