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Old July 3rd, 2015, 02:39 PM   #3181
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I don’t know about France or the Unites States, but in Poland one of the major problems is lack of respect for speed limits. Let me be clear what this is about: I don’t refer to morons who drive over 100 km/h in city centers under heavy traffic just because in their minds they possess the ultimate driving skills and they’re not limited by law. I refer to generally law abiding citizens who are annoyed by speed limits that are left behind after a completed construction or have no reasonable explanation in a particular place and eventually they ignore these restrictions. In the long term, it weakens respect for speed limits elsewhere.
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 05:38 PM   #3182
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I don’t know about France or the Unites States, but in Poland one of the major problems is lack of respect for speed limits. Let me be clear what this is about: I don’t refer to morons who drive over 100 km/h in city centers under heavy traffic just because in their minds they possess the ultimate driving skills and they’re not limited by law. I refer to generally law abiding citizens who are annoyed by speed limits that are left behind after a completed construction or have no reasonable explanation in a particular place and eventually they ignore these restrictions. In the long term, it weakens respect for speed limits elsewhere.
Your analise is true, when you put much pressure on people, after a moment it become too much... Maybe that is the reason of the increasing of deads on french roads during the last months...

Also I don't think that speed is the main problem in France, in France most of peoples are respectfull of speed limits or they don't really drive "dangerously" unlike in many other countries (for example Romania, where I can see how peoples doesn't have any respect for limitations and have no notion of limitations)...

In fact most of accidents in France are still linked to usage of alcohol or drugs, and a recent survey showed that almost 80% of french peoples are thinking that there is not enough control for alcohol on the road...

And yes I personaly believe that speed cams can bring money in the "coffers of the state" while fight against alcoholism aren't making such money. (According from a recent study from a big french car magazine, around 52% of speedcams aren't placed in dangerous areas (where accidents already occured), most of them are placed in "safe" areas...
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Old July 4th, 2015, 11:59 AM   #3183
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A75 La Méridienne

Some more photos of A75 through the Massif Central. It is one of the best motorway rides in France. The 330 kilometers from Clermont-Ferrand to Béziers are behind you before you know it, the route never bores.


A75-111 by European Roads, on Flickr


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Hey what's that in the distance?

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Old July 4th, 2015, 02:14 PM   #3184
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A 13.7 kilometer segment of four lane expressway N88 was inaugurated today. It opens to traffic tomorrow. It runs from La Mothe to La-Baraque-Saint-Jean, which is between Rodez and Albi.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2015...-la-mothe.html
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Curvature is well done, even 548 km/h is not scaring.
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Old July 4th, 2015, 02:28 PM   #3185
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I don’t know about France or the Unites States, but in Poland one of the major problems is lack of respect for speed limits. Let me be clear what this is about: I don’t refer to morons who drive over 100 km/h in city centers under heavy traffic just because in their minds they possess the ultimate driving skills and they’re not limited by law. I refer to generally law abiding citizens who are annoyed by speed limits that are left behind after a completed construction or have no reasonable explanation in a particular place and eventually they ignore these restrictions. In the long term, it weakens respect for speed limits elsewhere.
Yes, it's particularly noticeable with the vast amount of 60km/h limits at junctions that have separate turning lanes and don't require such dramatic decreases. They're almost universally ignored, and I think it's a huge cause of the general disrespect towards speed limits.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #3186
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Next week is the 14th of July, or le quatorze juillet as pronounced in France. As it is a public holiday, I am curious whether the roads will become busy?
I am personally interested as well, as my holiday starts on the 14th and I will travel from Utrecht (NL) to the Dordogne area on this day.
Maybe our French forummers could shed some light on this? Thanks!
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Old July 6th, 2015, 08:55 PM   #3187
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There are no problems expected that day. I'm guessing most French have a long weekend.

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Old July 9th, 2015, 10:37 AM   #3188
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I don’t know about France or the Unites States, but in Poland one of the major problems is lack of respect for speed limits. Let me be clear what this is about: I don’t refer to morons who drive over 100 km/h in city centers under heavy traffic just because in their minds they possess the ultimate driving skills and they’re not limited by law. I refer to generally law abiding citizens who are annoyed by speed limits that are left behind after a completed construction or have no reasonable explanation in a particular place and eventually they ignore these restrictions. In the long term, it weakens respect for speed limits elsewhere.
Well...Speeding is considered the #1 problem in the United States.

The reason it's a problem is that a lot of American roads are overdesigned relative to their posted speeds. When your road has geometry for traveling at 60 mph (100 kph) and your posted speed limit is 40 mph (65 kph) ... what do you think is going to win out? (I will also note that, by and large, motorists do respect a road's design speed.)

For a long time there was a tacit understanding among cops to not enforce excessively low speed limit restrictions. It's only relatively recently that enforcement has become stricter, particularly in municipalities in decline ... like Ferguson, MO.
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Old July 12th, 2015, 07:36 PM   #3189
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A63 Biarritz - Bordeaux

The N10 was widened to 2x3 lanes and renumbered A63 in 2013. It is also tolled, but only with an open barrier system, and quite some stretches are untolled.

I took some photos on a Sunday morning, when trucks are banned and there is no commuter traffic.


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Old July 12th, 2015, 10:39 PM   #3190
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It's a HUGE imrpovement on the N10 before. Traffic jams were normal every year there + the road was in a very poor state. Very glad they updated and upgraded that part. The only part of N10 I still use now is between Poitiers and Angouleme. (which is an expressway with 2x2 lanes mostly.
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Old July 13th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #3191
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But tolls are extraordinarily high. In class 1 its about 3.5€ for a 10 km stretch of plain motorway, no bridge, no tunnel!
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Old July 13th, 2015, 02:28 AM   #3192
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I remember A65 tolls being very expensive as well..
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Old July 14th, 2015, 01:24 AM   #3193
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A curvy stretch through a shallow canyon. I got fined for doing 95 in a 90 zone (of course the speed camera was on a straight section).
That curvy stretch is the most annoying part of the A75! The reason for its existence is because of former president Valéry Giscard-d'Estaing and the monarchical way in which France functions.

Initially the A75 was of course not supposed to go through those narrow and curvy gorges. It was supposed to go straight, like a regular motorway, on the plateau above those gorges, but apparently Mr Giscard-d'Estaing owns a château on that plateau, and he opposed the building of the motorway near his château, and since he has a lot of levy within the French State, eventually the authorities caved in and decided to use the old curvy road inside the gorges and just enlarged it, thus sparing the tranquility of the former president, but making this section hell for drivers. Welcome to France!

Also in terms of "welcome to France", I'm not surprised by your fine. France has become a hell for drivers in recent years, with all their speed traps and cameras. The country is victim of a 'road safety' lobby that is just as extremist at the old alcohol prohibitionist lobby in the US back in the 1920s. Politicians are scared to oppose that 'road safety' lobby, so year after year they enact stricter and stricter rules to please that lobby. Only 2 weeks ago they banned handsfree mobile phones in car.

The lobby has even more extreme plans in the pipeline. They want the government to track the time you enter a motorway and leave it (with the electronic record of your crossing the tool booths), so they can calculate your average speed on the entire section of a motorway, and fine you if your average speed was in excess of 130 km/h.

They also want to reduce speed limits: 120 km/h on motorways and 80 km/h on non-motorways. They also want systematic control of speed day and night by unidentified cars (i.e. police driving non-police cars and posing as tourists).

Their guru is a bitter woman in her 60s who receives lots of airtime on French TV and radios and whose statements are never ever challenged by journalists (such as "decreasing speed is the best way to decrease deaths on the roads, all experts show that a 10 km/h decrease means bla bla bla").

Politicians have chauffeurs anyway + 1st class free tickets in TGV high-speed trains and domestic Air France flights, so they don't care about these super strict rules which don't affect them.
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Sounds like you are describing Belgium or the Netherlands. Welcome to Europe. If you fart, you get fined.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 09:31 PM   #3195
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A719 Vichy - Gannat

I made a video of A719 from Vichy to Gannat. Note how the first section from Vichy to the toll plaza has only one lane.

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Old July 27th, 2015, 09:38 AM   #3196
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The driver of that bus was either stupid or a psychopath -you can see clearly that the tunnel is very low for a bus, plus there are signs with the maximum allowed height. Getting in trouble with a caravan or a low van is somewhat easy to understand, but that is just absurd.
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Next week I'll be going into France. First I'll go to the Bordeaux area and then to the French Basque Country (the so-called Iparralde). Since A65 tolls are so damn expensive, what is the best route to avoid it? A63 through Landes is hard to avoid, but at least is cheaper IIRC.
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Well, I guess via Orthez, Mont-de-Marsan and then via D834 towards Bordeaux would be an interesting alternative. You will join the A63 after the tollboth, so the rest of the A63 till Bordeaux is without toll.
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Old July 28th, 2015, 11:34 PM   #3200
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Next week I'll be going into France. First I'll go to the Bordeaux area and then to the French Basque Country (the so-called Iparralde). Since A65 tolls are so damn expensive, what is the best route to avoid it? A63 through Landes is hard to avoid, but at least is cheaper IIRC.
Yes, the road to the Somport tunnel ,Oloron, Orthez ,Mont-de Marsan is good and quiet.
But Orthez is annoying to go through. And some stretches before and after the town are difficult behind a truck.
An other road: Oloron, follow D936 to Sauveterre de béarn, D933 and D 430 to Puyoo, Dax (new bypass since this year) D947 to Castets and take the A63 to Bordeaux (one toll )
I know some other roads and shortcuts but difficult to explain and only to win 10 minutes.
For example: puerto del Portalet , Pau and two solutions:
1: the old national road parallel at the A65 to the east of Bordeaux, or go to Mont de Marsan after Aire sur l'adour (toll free to bypass the city by the A65) to go west of Bordeaux.
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