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Old August 4th, 2016, 06:01 PM   #3441
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I think talking about closing the Boulevard Périphérique it`s a political fiction.
Banning pre-1997 cars did also sound like political fiction until they did it.

I don't think we can do much against this trend, and worst of it all, it's spreading all over Europe.
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Banning pre-1997 cars did also sound like political fiction until they did it.

I don't think we can do much against this trend, and worst of it all, it's spreading all over Europe.
This trend will probably end only when the majority of cars will be clean (electric or hydrogen). But we will need decades before clean cars will become dominant.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 01:33 AM   #3443
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If greens weren't sociopaths they would bring in measures to incentivise electric cars and get rid of emissions problems that way.
But greens want to remove all forms of personal transport other than bicycles....try getting sick people to hospital with a bicycle but greens hate people anyway.
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Old August 7th, 2016, 05:48 PM   #3444
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A89: east of Lentilly – Limonest (A6) 5.5km (Mid 2015 to Early 2018) – projectmap
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Old August 11th, 2016, 05:27 PM   #3445
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Wildfires north of Marseille have closed A7 and A55 from time to time.

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Old August 19th, 2016, 03:46 PM   #3446
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A28 Alençon - Le Mans

Vinci Autoroutes launced a tender to expand A28 from Alençon-Sud to Le Mans (42 km). This motorway was built on a narrow cross-section, the left lane is only 3.0 meters wide. They are going to expand this to 3.5 m. The 0.5 m widening will be done on the outside of the carriageways.

This section of autoroute opened in two phases in 2000 and 2001.

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Old August 19th, 2016, 04:20 PM   #3447
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. This motorway was built on a narrow cross-section, the left lane is only 3.0 meters wide. They are going to expand this to 3.5
Damn, I drove it last year and never noticed.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 07:19 PM   #3448
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Talking of which, I don't think this has been mentioned here, but the Green-Socialist coalition ruling the City of Paris has closed indefinitely last July 15 the riverside expressway crossing the city from east to west, with total disregard for the suburban inhabitants of Paris who use it daily to transit between the various parts of Greater Paris!

This is getting CRAZIER and CRAZIER. Today the public inquiry committee has issued a negative opinion regarding the permanent closure and pedestrianization of the riverside expressway. In particular, they said that the study area (extent of territory over which the Paris City Hall studied the effects of the closure) was "too small and did not allow to establish the reality of a reduction in automobile pollution after closure of the expressway". Ah! This is the first time a quango dares challenge the propaganda of city hall!! As usual, city hall has conducted a study on the effects of the expressway closure only over the most central areas of Paris (i.e. those next to the expressway), in order to trumpet that a reduction in pollution would ensue, conveniently 'forgetting' to look at the larger picture and how traffic (and thus pollution) would build up on the Périphérique and in the suburbs due to the closure. The committee finally dared to call their bluff! This is the first time it happens since the Green-Socialist coallition has taken control of the City of Paris in 2002. In France the journalists are not like in the UK or other countries where they hound the authorities. Here all they do is lazily and slavishly copy and paste the nicely worded and biased statements/press releases of city hall, without ever trying to double check or counter check what city hall is stating. For the first time, someone is finally telling city hall: not so fast!

Well guess what, the Mayor of Paris Anne Hidalgo, who always portrays herself as being a modern politician in favor of listening to people and not acting in an authoritarian way, and who always says that she intends to implement so-called 'participatory democracy' in Paris (in a nutshell, grass root people are supposed to be consulted on any policy, and to decide most policies, in lieu of the mayor and municipal council themselves; everybody knows it's completely hypocritical, but since French journalists never challenge what French politicians say, long live 'participatory democracy', as if anyone really believed this is how decisions are really taken...), Ms Hidalgo has let it known today that she would disregard the opinion of the public inquiry, and close the expressway anyway!! So much for all the pretense of not acting in an authoritarian way!

The public inquiry could only offer an advisory opinion, it wasn't a legally binding opinion, but the fact that the mayor chooses to ignore the opinion of the public inquiry shows that all the talk about 'participatory democracy' and listening to people, not taking decisions in a authoritarian way were just bollocks!

Of course Ms Hidalgo is a very cunning politician, so her statement published by the French press today is a brilliant example of propaganda trying to disguise her stubborn anti-automobile ideology and disregard of the public inquiry's opinion as a moral crusade for the environment and the people against blind public institutions. In her statement she said the the public inquiry's opinion was "a complete denial of the climate emergency" (that's her exact words) we're facing, and that it (the opinion) "did not consider the environmental, sanitary, urban, and cultural motivations" which led to the decision to close this expressway.

She also said that the opinion was "contradicting the clear will of a decisive majority of Parisians, 60% of whom are in favor of pedestrianizing the expressway, including one car driver out of two, according to an April 2016 Ifop poll." Here Ms Hidalgo is using the usual tactic of city hall since 2002: flaunt a poll in favor of whatever city hall policy to claim that the public is behind city hall. Of course, unlike what would happen in other countries, the media never run their own polls to see whether the polls commissioned by city hall are true or not. So Ms Hidalgo (and Mr Delanoë before her) always has an easy ride! Besides, as is also usual, the polls commissioned by the Paris City Hall always conveniently only ask questions to the people living inside the City of Paris proper, and never ask the people living in the suburbs who make up the majority of the population in Greater Paris. Obviously, she would never find 60% in favor of the expressway closure if people from the entire Greater Paris were asked what they think!!

Finally, she concluded her statement with this great piece of propaganda which would not have seemed unworthy of the best days of the Pravda or of Guevara's Cuba:
"As Mayor of Paris, representing the Parisian people and in charge of protecting and improving their living environment, I have therefore decided, in compliance with the law, not to follow the advisory opinion of the public inquiry committee. [...] No committee can oppose or paralyze the democratic will of the people, what's more with arguments as inadequate as those presented in the report of the public inquiry committee. They [the arguments] seem such a caricature, with so little nuance, that a good many Parisians may very well believe this is a biased report written in a 'guilty as charged' intent.

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Because in the name of the Parisians I confirm the absolute necessity to give to the pedestrians this Right Bank expressway, I will submit to the next municipal council etc."

Is there an "absolute necessity" to give this mineral piece of concrete to the pedestrians? Really?? Who would like to walk on there, seriously.



I haven't quoted her entire long statement, but she also cleverly used the fact that Paris (in fact the suburbs of Paris, which she conveniently ignores when it suits her, and then suddenly includes as part of Paris here because it's useful for her argument) hosted the UN Climate Change Conference last year (which Ms Hidalgo and the French Socialist government boasted about so much last year, like it was the event of the century). She said that as host city of the conference (in fact the City of Paris never hosted that conference), we had a special duty to lead the world in terms of efforts to prevent climate change, bla bla bla, and we couldn't turn our back on it so soon after the conference. She also used the word "détisser" (to "unweave", literally; I could write an entire essay about French politicians and their love of crafty words to spread a message, often with the one crafty word being more important than the content of the message itself):

"I will convene in early September a conference whose goal will be to ensure that the full implementation of the Paris Agreement on Climate prevails, in spite of all those who are trying to 'détisser' ["unweave"] it, . As a Parisian woman, as Mayor of Paris, and as president of C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, I will rise against any blocking maneuver meant to paralyze the progress wished by the Parisians and made necessary by the environmental emergency and the fight against pollution."

Seriously, if France wasn't a democracy, I'd say this woman could become a very dangerous dictator. She's even better than Delanoë at propaganda, probably the best in the Western world at the moment. All the media are paralyzed in front of her, and it's always very very difficult to debunk what she says, because she always drapes herself in the clothes of moral purity and justice, and paints her opponents as enemies of the public good. She even managed to out-smart her Parisian Green allies in terms of propaganda last year (regarding the construction of some modern buildings in the city), which was a feat I thought was impossible to achieve. If Paris is not administratively enlarged, these guys are in power for at least the next 30 years.

Let's finish with the end of her statement:
"What's at stake is far more than an issue of urban planning. What's at stake is democracy, health, the environment, and solidarity. That's the reason why, with my team, I will not allow anyone to rob the Parisians of an objective progress and I will fulfill the clear mandate that they have entrusted me with."

Hopefully no member of the public inquiry committee will be deported to Siberia.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 11:42 PM   #3449
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Less cars and less speed has become a mantra for present-day politicians. It's like some word of God; if you deny it, you're evil.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 01:23 PM   #3450
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Less cars and less speed has become a mantra for present-day politicians. It's like some word of God; if you deny it, you're evil.
Because for them they are above anyone else and those rules don't apply to them... they travel in cities with their convoy with police and they didn't respect any rules on road...
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Old August 24th, 2016, 06:37 PM   #3451
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The decision process might be questionable, but the decision itself is right. This road needs to be closed and removed. Some decades ago it might have been very convenient to provide a high-capacity road along the river right through the city, making use of the river bridges to form a grade-separated through route. Yet, this road is an eye-sore and more importantly it cuts the city off its oldest lifeline, the river. This needs to be corrected. If done well the river banks could become a public space for recreation and leisure which adds value to more people than a fast through-route for a few motorists.
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Old August 25th, 2016, 10:23 PM   #3452
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The decision process might be questionable, but the decision itself is right. This road needs to be closed and removed. Some decades ago it might have been very convenient to provide a high-capacity road along the river right through the city, making use of the river bridges to form a grade-separated through route. Yet, this road is an eye-sore and more importantly it cuts the city off its oldest lifeline, the river. This needs to be corrected. If done well the river banks could become a public space for recreation and leisure which adds value to more people than a fast through-route for a few motorists.
It will become a rendezvous for seedy activities, homeless squalor camps and other problematic uses, outside the couple summer months when it is sunny and they can make it into a sandbox.
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Old August 27th, 2016, 01:19 PM   #3453
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The decision process might be questionable, but the decision itself is right. This road needs to be closed and removed. Some decades ago it might have been very convenient to provide a high-capacity road along the river right through the city, making use of the river bridges to form a grade-separated through route. Yet, this road is an eye-sore and more importantly it cuts the city off its oldest lifeline, the river. This needs to be corrected. If done well the river banks could become a public space for recreation and leisure which adds value to more people than a fast through-route for a few motorists.
Yea, I see much recreation and leisure inside the tunnels.
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Old September 4th, 2016, 05:34 PM   #3454
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There we go! Construction of the new coastal motorway in Réunion has entered its most spectacular phase. The mega-barge Zourite which arrived in Réunion last May (see post #3422) has started to lay the first segment of the first pier of the overseas viaduct on the bottom of the ocean! The barge left the port of Réunion Est on Wednesday last week (August 24) and lay the first section of the pier at the bottom of the ocean on Tuesday this week (August 30).

Some photos and some videos of what's billed as the largest road construction in the EU at the moment.











In this amateur video from August 24, the megabarge Zourite has disappeared from Réunion's Port Est. In the video you can see (starting at 1:18) the huge segments of the piers and deck of the viaduct which are stocked in the port next to the plant making them, waiting for the barge to transport the pier segments (the deck segments will be transported by specialized trucks).



Amateur video from August 25 showing the megabarge at sea, holding the first segment of the first pier:



Video showing the laying of the first segment of the pier on August 30:

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A507, Marseille

A507, also known as 'L2' was delivered in July, but is still not open to traffic. This news report speaks of late September, early October, or even later...

http://www.20minutes.fr/marseille/19...oujours-fermee
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The entire Toulouse eastern bypass (A61-A62) will be resurfaced during the coming months. This is the toll-free segment of autoroute. The resurfacing works are done over a distance of 14 kilometers.

All paving works will be done during the night, so there is little to no delay during the day. They will close 3-4 kilometers of the motorway during 49 nights, paving 600 meters on each night. The closures are from 9 pm to 6 am. Through traffic will be detoured via A620 on the other side of the city.

The first works began on 1 August and will last through mid-October. They will first pave the sublayers of the motorway, and then apply the porous wearing course from April to June 2017.

Although the Toulouse bypass is untolled, it is operated by Vinci. I like how they try to avoid long-term lane closures and delays by working nights only. It's similar to how they work in the Netherlands.
The southbound A62-A61 was already nearly completed when I passed there in late August. Just look at the shiny asphalt It makes you wish all urban motorways had excellent asphalt like this autoroute in Toulouse.

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N19

They did a little switcheroo on N19 in Eastern France, the departmental expressway D438 from Lure to Héricourt is now transferred to the state and is now a part of N19, while the old two-lane N19 is transferred to the department.

N19 is a long-term plan to upgrade the route to serve Paris - Switzerland traffic.

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Old September 12th, 2016, 11:27 PM   #3458
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I've been wondering which exactly are the criteria French signage uses to show the main cities in green. I thought I read somewhere that a city/town would be signed in green if its population was bigger than something close than 25k inhabitants. But for example Foix (capital of the département de l'Ariège, pop. 9700) is signed in green, just as Royan (pop. 18k, but not a regional capital). On the other hand, if the criteria were just like I presented it, every single suburb of Paris, Lyon and Marseille would match it and therefore be signed in green, which clearly doesn't happen.

Also I can't understand why - and this happens mainly in the départementales - some towns that are "green" are signed in white. In some cases the signage even switches between white and green for no apparent reason (examples here & here for Blois, pop. 48k, in D957), and in stranger cases, a "green" town is signed in green and another is signed in white in the same place (example here for Blois and Tours).

So, what's this all about?
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The criteria to indicate a town in green seems to be more complex than that:

http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Villes_...panneaux_verts
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Travelling from Luxembourg to Swtizerland via Metz and Belfort is a pleasant route (and easy now that the snail-move construction of A16 in CH is advancing as well).
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