daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old April 23rd, 2017, 01:24 PM   #3601
Minato ku
Moderator
 
Minato ku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Paris, Montrouge
Posts: 16,756

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
The opening of the new A9 at Montpellier is moving closer, they expect to formally announce the opening date on 21 April.

It is currently the largest motorway project in France.


The largest motorway project in France is the Nouvelle Route du Littoral (NRL) in Réunion.



Talking of which, they have now laid 7 piers on the bottom of the ocean (out of 48 that need to be laid in total for the overseas viaduct):


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender View Post
Funny to see that all the projects listed on this thread (almost) always concern small towns and remote areas whereas not a dime is invested where it's actually needed ie. bigger cities.
The French governments, left and right, have been prisoners of the Greenstremist lobby since the late 1990s. The turning point took place when the Communist and pro-train pro-SNCF Jean-Claude Gayssot became transport minister from 1997 to 2002.

Since then, the French government has invested in tons of little used regional trains (all those shiny little trains you can see in all the regional train stations), and has neglected both the roads (nationwide) and the much used trains of the Paris Region.

Things are finally starting to change. The government has now recognized that the priority must be to renovate and upgrade the train network and rolling stock in the Paris Region. The new right-wing president of the Paris Region since December 2015 (she put an end to 17 years of Socialist-Green-Communist rule over the Paris Region) is also promoting for the first time in a long long time a new road development project for the Paris Region. The Greens are fuming, because they thought new road projects were over for good in the region. The new regional president says public transportation should not be opposed to roads. Both are complementary she says. Some motorways are going to be enlarged, and others could be built.

Whether other large French metropolises will follow suit remains to be seen. Lyon is still in its Socialist-Green anti-road la la land (the mayor of Lyon managed to have the departing French government sign a decree committing to decommission the major Paris-Marseille motorway crossing the center the Lyon, which would be turned into a simple avenue with red lights, despite the fact that no real bypass of Lyon has been built yet). Toulouse is not planning any new motorway despite its booming population and car traffic. Marseille is badly managed by incompetent and feuding politicians. Bordeaux believes that the alpha and omega of a transport policy is its much vaunted tramway (light rail) network (it's just unbelievable how much hype there's been in the French media about this light rail network, whereas the subway networks of Rennes and Toulouse are little talked about). As for Nantes, it's another Socialist-Green la la land. Ditto Grenoble. Politicians in these municipalities believe that bicycles and light rail (tramway) will solve all problems. Truly pathetic, but people keep voting for them, and the media are completely biased (the deputy mayor of Nantes in charge of transport proposes a river boat service on the Loire River and it becomes top story in the national TV news ).

In the space of 20 years, France has gone from hard-headed Gaullist-Pompidolist big projects à la Texas/China to flower-in-the-hair pot-smoking Green Hollanders/Germans living in la la land. I would not have thought it possible if you had asked me in 1995.
__________________
すみません !
J’aime Paris et je veux des tours !
Minato ku no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old April 23rd, 2017, 09:57 PM   #3602
Bender
Rugged Individualist
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Düsseldorf, Le Reich
Posts: 3,101
Likes (Received): 118

I am well aware of the political climate in France and the hysteria of the local administrations against everything that comes with an engine and 4 wheels.

Montmarault and Digoin.... now that's a priority
Bender no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 23rd, 2017, 10:14 PM   #3603
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,615
Likes (Received): 19411

Well, it definitely needs an upgrade, it is a dangerous two-lane road with a large volume of truck traffic. There are a few short passing lanes here and there, but other than that it is inadequate for a long-distance route.

It is the first new section of the RCEA to be upgraded to autoroute status, but I think that in this case it would not cost much more to design it at 130 km/h instead of 110 like the other new segments of RCEA. N79 runs through flat terrain and is very straight in most locations. They are quoting some € 420 million for the 90 kilometer upgrade. That's under € 5 million per kilometer.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 23rd, 2017, 10:57 PM   #3604
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,536
Likes (Received): 21249

So today I visited the former Seine voie espress closed by the mayor of Paris.
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 24th, 2017, 12:58 AM   #3605
italystf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,460
Likes (Received): 2186

Motorways plan for Paris in the 1960s



Red: sections that have since been actually built
Purple: planned sections (outside city proper)
Dark blue: planned urban open-air sections (narrow line = one way)
Light blue: planned underground sections

The plan was abandoned in 1974 due to oil crisis, and, later, increase of environmental/historical preservation awareness.
__________________
“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

Luki_SL, Ices77, snot liked this post
italystf no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 29th, 2017, 12:17 PM   #3606
Ices77
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 280
Likes (Received): 867

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
Construction on the A6-A89 link in Lyon will start on Monday 4 April, according to 20 minutes. A construction start was also announced in September 2015.

The € 150 million project will construct 5.5 kilometers of motorway and a new interchange with A6. It is expected to be completed in February 2018. It will improve east-west traffic through Lyon. Motorway infrastructure in Lyon was mostly oriented north-south until now. They already opened a new link between A46 and A6 north of Lyon in 2015 (A466).

And here are some construction shots from April:





__________________
Ices77 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 29th, 2017, 09:43 PM   #3607
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,615
Likes (Received): 19411

A9 Montpellier

Some photos of A9 through Montpellier, taken today by a member of the Dutch road forum. Within a few weeks, the new alignment of A9 will open to traffic around Montpellier, the existing autoroute will be renumbered to A709.


Untitled by Wegenrein, on Flickr


Untitled by Wegenrein, on Flickr


Untitled by Wegenrein, on Flickr


Untitled by Wegenrein, on Flickr


Untitled by Wegenrein, on Flickr
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 30th, 2017, 05:56 AM   #3608
acela
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 146
Likes (Received): 24


Untitled by Wegenrein, on Flickr


Untitled by Wegenrein, on Flickr

Just curious. How the french paint their road/autoroute?. Whats with the line white line?
__________________

verreme liked this post
acela no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 30th, 2017, 10:56 AM   #3609
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,615
Likes (Received): 19411

Those thin white lines are guidance markings for the crew that applies the regular road markings. They usually fade away quickly after being put into service.
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 2nd, 2017, 09:07 PM   #3610
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,615
Likes (Received): 19411

Axe Rennes - Angers

A 3.5 kilometer segment of the Axe Rennes - Angers (D173) in the department of Ville-et-Vilaine officially opens to traffic tomorrow, 3 May. Some sources say it opened late April. It is a 2x2, 110 km/h expressway through the Forêt d'Araize. The construction cost was € 15 million. It ends at the Maine-et-Loire border.

__________________

my clinched highways / travel mapping • highway photography @ Flickr and Youtube

Luki_SL, roaddor, the dogi liked this post
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 4th, 2017, 02:51 PM   #3611
slickman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Amarante
Posts: 1,188
Likes (Received): 71

Does anyone know something about the roadworks of the N10 between Angouleme and Bordeaux? Will they be finished this year? Is there any stretch finished yet?
__________________
mAMARANTEs

Last edited by slickman; May 4th, 2017 at 03:25 PM.
slickman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 9th, 2017, 10:04 AM   #3612
slickman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Amarante
Posts: 1,188
Likes (Received): 71

First segment of 6,6 km between Reignac and Touvérac will be open in June.
__________________
mAMARANTEs

Luki_SL, Ices77 liked this post
slickman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2017, 01:20 PM   #3613
Ices77
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 280
Likes (Received): 867

And the rest of the section should be opened in 2019.



Some construction shots:







Full gallery at: http://www.nge.fr/amenagement-a-2x2-...hevanceaux-16/
__________________

EasySeven, MichiH, Luki_SL liked this post
Ices77 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2017, 09:24 PM   #3614
MichiH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lower Franconia
Posts: 4,416
Likes (Received): 2082

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
A 3.5 kilometer segment of the Axe Rennes - Angers (D173) in the department of Ville-et-Vilaine officially opens to traffic tomorrow, 3 May. Some sources say it opened late April. It is a 2x2, 110 km/h expressway through the Forêt d'Araize. The construction cost was € 15 million. It ends at the Maine-et-Loire border.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiH View Post
According to wikisara, the following segments are u/c or planned to complete the Rennes - Angers expressway (D173 in l'Ille-et-Vilaine and D775 in le Maine-et-Loire):

D173: Retiers-South – La Noe Jollys 6.8km (? to 31st January 2017) – ? – map
D173: La Noe Jollys – Martigne-Ferchaud-North ~2km (? to ?) – ? – map


According to wikisara, the latter is u/c and to be opened by 2019.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiH View Post
D173: Martigne-Ferchaud-North – Martigne-Ferchaud-South ~2km (? to ?) [2nd c/w] – ? – map


According to wikisara, the latter is u/c and to be completed by 2020.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiH View Post
D173: Martigne-Ferchaud-South – Le Moulin ~8km (? to September 2017) – ? – map
The southern segment (3.5km) was opened on in late April as Chris wrote. The construction period was "more than one and a half year" (source). I guess construction works were started in 2015.
The northern segment seems to be opened with the neighboring section in 2020.

D775: Le Moulin – Pouance-West ~4km (? to ?) – ? – map
D775: Segre-North – Segre-East ~2km (? to ?) [2nd c/w] – ? – map

D775: Le Lion-d'Angers-South - La Membrolle-North ~6km (? to July 2017) – ? – map[/QUOTE]

The northern segment (Grez-Neuville bypass, 3km) of the latter was opened on 15th May 2017.
__________________

Which new motorways are currently under construction?
Which new motorways will be opened next?

See 'New motorway projects' thread

** Please help completing and updating of the list **

Been/driven: A, AND, B, CDN, CH, CZ, D, DK, E, EST, F, FIN, FL, GB, H, I, L, LV, LT, N, NL, P, PL, RO, S, SLO, USA (My cumulative travel mapping)
MichiH no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2017, 10:15 PM   #3615
MichiH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lower Franconia
Posts: 4,416
Likes (Received): 2082

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisZwolle View Post
Construction began today to expand a segment of N70 between Palinges and Génelard to a four lane expressway. It is part of the RCEA concept and is north of the four lane segment that opened to traffic last month.

http://www.lejsl.com/edition-montcea...es-et-genelard
The news article reports about a 6km section. It seems to be completed by 2018 according to wikisara. I drove there in late April and could spot construction works. It's from exit 17 to 19, the section opened in March ends at exit 20. A 5km gap will remain from exit 19 to 20.

N70: Palinges – Genelard 6km (April 2017 to 2018) [2nd c/w] – ? – map

The section b/n Blanzy (exit 10) and Montchanin (exit 9) is also u/c and to be completed by 2018. If memory serves, it was more advanced.

N70: Blanzy – Montchanin ~5km (? to 2018) [2nd c/w] – ? – map
__________________

Which new motorways are currently under construction?
Which new motorways will be opened next?

See 'New motorway projects' thread

** Please help completing and updating of the list **

Been/driven: A, AND, B, CDN, CH, CZ, D, DK, E, EST, F, FIN, FL, GB, H, I, L, LV, LT, N, NL, P, PL, RO, S, SLO, USA (My cumulative travel mapping)
MichiH no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2017, 10:27 PM   #3616
MichiH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lower Franconia
Posts: 4,416
Likes (Received): 2082

Two more 2x2 expressway sections u/c I've seen in April/May:


The bridge south of the current 2x2 end near Hertzing is u/c:

N4: Saint-Georges – Hertzing 3km (? to 2018) – ? – map


First works seem to be u/c and I saw a sign indicating the construction period 2017-2019:

N7: south of Villeneuve-sur-Allier – Trevol 2km (2017 to 2019) – ? – map

It's next to this section u/c:

N7: north of Villeneuve-sur-Allier – south of Villeneuve-sur-Allier ~7km (Late 2010 to 2017) – ? – map
__________________

Which new motorways are currently under construction?
Which new motorways will be opened next?

See 'New motorway projects' thread

** Please help completing and updating of the list **

Been/driven: A, AND, B, CDN, CH, CZ, D, DK, E, EST, F, FIN, FL, GB, H, I, L, LV, LT, N, NL, P, PL, RO, S, SLO, USA (My cumulative travel mapping)
MichiH no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 29th, 2017, 04:56 PM   #3617
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,615
Likes (Received): 19411

A9 Montpellier

Finally, the the Montpellier bypass of A9 will open to traffic this week. Traffic will be using the new motorway in two phases, on Tuesday morning towards Nîmes and Wednesday morning the direction of Narbonne.

http://www.20minutes.fr/montpellier/...-ouvre-semaine

__________________

my clinched highways / travel mapping • highway photography @ Flickr and Youtube

verreme, arctic_carlos, MichiH liked this post
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 29th, 2017, 09:30 PM   #3618
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,615
Likes (Received): 19411

Vosges

I took a short vacation in the Vosges Mountains in Eastern France. It's a really nice area, the highlight in terms of roads is the 'Route des Crêtes' which follows the highest ridge of the Vosges, with several sections over 1000 meters altitude, and more importantly, above the tree line, so there are great views. One day I could see the entire Swiss Alps from the road. Which is 150 kilometers away.

I filmed several sections, here is the first video of the southern part around the Grand Ballon (highest point of the Vosges).

__________________

my clinched highways / travel mapping • highway photography @ Flickr and Youtube

arctic_carlos, Stavros86 liked this post
ChrisZwolle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 30th, 2017, 05:30 PM   #3619
italystf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,460
Likes (Received): 2186

Are they planning to build a bypass around Arles, connecting the two sections of A54? Currently, to drive between Genoa and Barcelona, you have to drive through the city.
__________________
“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
italystf no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 30th, 2017, 05:46 PM   #3620
arctic_carlos
Recondita armonia
 
arctic_carlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Sitges - Barcelona
Posts: 4,733
Likes (Received): 3966

You don't have to drive through the city, the 25 km segment of N572 and N113 connecting both sections of A54 would in fact be considered a motorway in many countries, but in France they tend to apply a very restrictive definition of motorway. Just check aerial footage in Google Maps.

I drove that section 8 years ago and maybe the only difference I noticed between the motorway (A54) and the expressway (N572 + N113) sections was the lack of toll.

But I agree with you that it would be a good idea to build a proper alignment for A54 south of Arles, leaving the current expressway near the city center for local traffic. Without being as problematic as A9 in Montpellier (until today ), it's true that that section carries a lot of traffic due to the existence of several accesses and only a 2x2 configuration.
__________________
Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.

Bertolt Brecht
arctic_carlos no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
france

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium