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Old October 25th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #3701
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I didn't follow your discussion, but there's no-longer Routes Nationales either in Metropolitan France (oh and BTW, Corsica is part of Metropolitan France ).
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Old October 26th, 2017, 01:10 AM   #3702
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there's no-longer Routes Nationales either in Metropolitan France
When did that happen?
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(oh and BTW, Corsica is part of Metropolitan France ).
Sure, but the Corsican Government decided to ditch being part of the mainland's network of N roads, and instead of replacing them with other N roads like Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique, Mayotte, Reunion, and Saint Pierre & Miquelon went with territorial roads like New Caledonia, French Polynesia, and Wallis & Futuna.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 03:55 AM   #3703
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I figured it was something like that. So what’s the difference between T and RT?
And why blue; is it the same sort of blue as those M- roads in Nice? (And do those exist elsewhere?)
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:26 AM   #3704
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I figured it was something like that. So what’s the difference between T and RT?
Same as N and RN - nothing, other than they decided to sign the R. Which I'm not sure is true with Corsica.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:05 PM   #3705
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When did that happen?
Back in 2005 ! (Routes Nationales have been retrograded as D roads (i.e. Routes Départementales)

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Les départements héritent de 18 000 km de routes nationales
LeMonde.fr/les-departements-heritent-de-18-000-km-de-routes-nationale (2005)
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:14 PM   #3706
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Not all routes nationales were transferred to the departments in 2006. A core network is still in use.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:24 PM   #3707
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As Chris said, I knew SOME had been transferred to the départements, but not all. So that’s still the case?
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Old October 27th, 2017, 12:33 AM   #3708
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A core network is still in use.
About 8888km! So roughly one-third of the pre-2005 network remains.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 07:00 PM   #3709
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Which roads haven't been sent to departements?
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Old October 29th, 2017, 07:22 PM   #3710
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Roads signed with "N" prefix ?
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Old October 29th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #3711
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Yep.

The remaining routes nationales are generally expressways, to-be-expressways, or major routes in areas without autoroutes.

There were two major transfers of routes nationales to the departments, in 1973 and 2006.

The M-routes around Nice are routes métropolitaines, these include both former N-roads as well as D-roads around Nice. I don't quite see the advantage of this system. It also doesn't cover the entire Alpes-Maritimes department, just all roads within 10-15 km of Nice.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 09:21 PM   #3712
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Yes, that's the logical thing. But in Spain we have several N roads that are managed by provinces or regions, so I kind of understand why he asked
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In other ways... which is network managed by state? (RN)
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In other ways... which is network managed by state? (RN)


The “A” roads - which stands for “Autoroute” - like Spanish autopistas and autovías; and
the “N” roads - which stands for “Nationale” (you’ll see “RN” or “Route nationale” as well, but only “N” on signs and most maps.
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France is the ultimate example of how to take an easy, intuitive numbering system and make it almost useless. Apart of the main network nothing makes much sense on it actually.
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Old November 2nd, 2017, 11:35 PM   #3716
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If you say so... = dear Portuguese friend, LOL ()
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I'm not sure Portugal had the easy-to-use intuitive numbering system to begin with!
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Well, he has a point, the route nationale numbering plan was easy to follow and logical (for the most part).

The N-numbers are now often 3/4-digit D-numbers. N29 = D1029, etc. Luckily we still have the green signs to navigate across the secondary road network.

I took D2020 (ex-N20) from Orléans to Vierzon a number of times. It used to be a quick toll-free alternative to A71, with only a few towns along the route. But they have downgraded many urban sections to 30 km/h and with very annoying speed bumps.
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Old November 3rd, 2017, 09:44 PM   #3719
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Thanks Chris for adding to my point.

Yeah, I'm portuguese, and our numering system is also very confusing. But sorry, it doesn't make yours better.
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Well, he has a point, the route nationale numbering plan was easy to follow and logical (for the most part).

The N-numbers are now often 3/4-digit D-numbers. N29 = D1029, etc. Luckily we still have the green signs to navigate across the secondary road network.

I took D2020 (ex-N20) from Orléans to Vierzon a number of times. It used to be a quick toll-free alternative to A71, with only a few towns along the route. But they have downgraded many urban sections to 30 km/h and with very annoying speed bumps.
All that's because you're not French, so you can't understand!


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