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Old July 19th, 2009, 02:58 AM   #661
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There's something even more important that we've missed Minato. The long awaited (but little publicized) opening of the A86 tunnel in Greater Paris last month.
Does that mean that the A86 now forms a complete ring?
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Old July 19th, 2009, 04:07 AM   #662
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Does that mean that the A86 now forms a complete ring?
Not quite, not quite. 'Chi va piano va sano' as the French saying goes (no Italian forumers around ). Only the northern half of the tunnel was opened. The southern half of the tunnel (from the A13 to Versailles) should be opened in 2011, finally completing the A86.

Then we'll have to complete the A104. It never ends...
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Old July 19th, 2009, 11:13 AM   #663
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That tunnel is a waste, it has a height of only 2.5 meters, so trucks still have to run through the surface streets. Why not build a 4.2 meter tunnel?

I'm also wondering what the status of the A28 gap in Rouen is? I have driven there, it's not that bad, but a full motorway throughout would be better...

A19 was also completed recently, by the way.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #664
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As you probably know, there was no room for a double tunnel, so instead they opted for one big tunnel splitted in two vertically, hence the limited height.



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Old July 19th, 2009, 04:47 PM   #665
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Do cars like a Ford Transit fit in the tunnel? Some vans are up to 2.50 meters, I hope they won't knock off some fan or something.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:06 PM   #666
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They will fit, the height was calculated so any emergency or rescue vehicle can fit inside.

As for the fans, they are embedded in the upper-upper and lower-lower parts of the tunnel, the roofs are flat. There is a small van on the right of the second picture, I guess something bigger could easily fit.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #667
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Emergency, rescue and maintenance vehicles have been built or modified for this tunnel, standard vehicles (including ambulances) can't enter it.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:46 PM   #668
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As you probably know, there was no room for a double tunnel,[...]
Why?

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Very claustrophobic...
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:49 PM   #669
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That tunnel is a waste, it has a height of only 2.5 meters, so trucks still have to run through the surface streets. Why not build a 4.2 meter tunnel?
The story of the A86 tunnel is the story of political lack of will and ineffectualness in pre-Sarkozy France (the impotent Chirac France). They knew for years the A86 had to be completed in the west, but they didn't have the guts and energy to do it (hilly area, rich people opposed to an overground motorway). France had budget problems due to the 1993 economic crisis, just like today, but unlike today there wasn't a president ready to bypass the resigned consensus of budget reduction to invest in useful infrastructure projects, so they delayed the project for years and years. They were frightened by the cost of the tunnel. Eventually someone somewhere in the government thought it would be a clever idea to have a private company build it, to save the government from making hard choices, so they awarded the concession of a tunnel to a private company with a sigh of relief, but the company chose a small capacity tunnel, and is now charging an insane toll for that small capacity tunnel (in breach of the previous French consensus that there should be no tolls for commuters in French metropolitan areas). The toll is 4.5 euros for 4.5 km of tunnel.

Today, as opposed to the Chirac era, Sarkozy has decided that the state will build the A14 tunnel under Neuilly-sur-Seine, despite the budget problems, and he has decided that it is the high-capacity tunnel that will be built (many politicians were in favor of the less costly low-capacity tunnel), and it will be built by the state, with no toll. So it really makes a difference who is in power.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #670
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Emergency, rescue and maintenance vehicles have been built or modified for this tunnel, standard vehicles (including ambulances) can't enter it.
Indeed, fourteen emergency vehicles have been custom-built for this tunnel.
The second picture might be claustrophobic, but I am pretty sure any Transit/Boxer sized van will fit inside.

I agree though that it feels really 'smallish', I wish they had the guts (money?) to dig something bolder.
edit: beside, I wouldn't want to be stuck in the middle of the tunnel, in a traffic jam, if a fire occurs.

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Old July 21st, 2009, 08:01 PM   #671
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As you probably know, there was no room for a double tunnel, so instead they opted for one big tunnel splitted in two vertically, hence the limited height.



That kind of tunnel, like in the first photo exists or its project for the future?
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see second picture in your message...
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 10:03 PM   #673
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2005:
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 11:36 PM   #674
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I guess this isn't grammatically correct as there is missing an accent mark on Béziers.
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 11:42 PM   #675
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Those aren't compulsory above capital letters though.
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 02:02 AM   #676
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In fact, there shouldn't even be any accents on capital letters. It's a commonly made mistake, but sometimes I can understand why that language rule is ignored: certain surnames for example sound completely different without any accents (and those people usually don't like it when people say their name incorrectly).

I also notice that the A9 sign has become roughly as big as the E-signs. Seems perfectly logical to me

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Old July 23rd, 2009, 06:30 AM   #677
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Thanks for explanation. Didn't know the rule about capital letters.
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 06:23 PM   #678
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Entering the big French cities. All these signs appear at the borders of the municipalities ("communes" in French; e.g. the "City of Lyon" = the "municipality of Lyon" = the "commune of Lyon").

Paris:




Lyon: Lyon typifies the absurdity of the French cities' administrative borders which not only cut across urban areas, but often also cut across the most central parts of the urban areas as in the case of the super small municipality of Lyon.


Marseille:


Lille:


Toulouse:


A rare sign in France: the Toulouse City Hall wishes you "Bonne route" as you cross the administrative border of the large municipality of Toulouse on your way out.


Nice: The translation in Niçard dialect is really a fancy of the city hall, given that almost nobody speaks Niçard anymore.


Another rare sign. The City of Nice welcomes you in many languages as you cross its administrative border.


Nantes:


Strasbourg:


All the things you need to know when you enter the municipality of Strasbourg.
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 06:26 PM   #679
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A little tip, do not save them as png if not necessary (as in this case). PNG's are quickly 3 - 4 times larger and load slower
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 06:34 PM   #680
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I know, but saving them as JPG significantly lowers the quality of these Google Street View pictures (I've tried before). The signs would not be easily readable.
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