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Old October 9th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #741
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Lorraine is not a departement, but a region.

It is, one of the most industrialized regions of France, especially in the mining regions in the north. If they want to cut pollution so bad, they'd better start thinking about closing down some mines, instead of a pure symbolic solution like a lower speed limit.

As the heaviest traveled road, the A31, is already limited at 110 km/h or lower between Luxembourg and Toul, the only other road is the A4, which is lightly traveled. Reducing the speed limit there really doesn't lower pollution levels.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 08:26 PM   #742
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Talking about speed limit: in motorways are 110km/h and in other country roads are 80km/h?
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Old October 9th, 2009, 09:15 PM   #743
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90 km/h outside urban areas, unless otherwise posted.

Motorways are still 130 km/h and expressways 110 km/h in France. They can have lower posted limits.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #744
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The speed limits in France, are similar with the rest of E.U.?
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Old October 10th, 2009, 12:41 PM   #745
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There is no fixed speed limit in the EU. Most common is 120 and 130 km/h.

NL = 80 km/h outside urban area, 120 km/h motorway
BE = 90 km/h outside urban area, 120 km/h motorway
DE = 100 km/h outside urban area, blank speed limit motorway
FR = 90 km/h outside urban area, 130 km/h motorway
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Old October 11th, 2009, 04:37 PM   #746
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Chris, remember that, sure there is no speed limit in D, but the maximum recommended speed is a 130km/h (80 mph), because of a larger risk of accidents when driving with a speed over the above mentioned.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 08:19 PM   #747
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There is no fixed speed limit in the EU. Most common is 120 and 130 km/h.

NL = 80 km/h outside urban area, 120 km/h motorway
BE = 90 km/h outside urban area, 120 km/h motorway
DE = 100 km/h outside urban area, blank speed limit motorway
FR = 90 km/h outside urban area, 130 km/h motorway
Well, just asked... thanks once again
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Old October 14th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #748
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I would urgently try to indtroduce harmonized European speed limits:

50 km/h inside urban areas
100 km/h outside urban areas
130 km/h motorways and freeways

Locally, lower speed limits (e. g. Italian dual carriageway without hard shoulder) can be signposted.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 10:27 PM   #749
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A7-A6 Lyon

Pics made by a Dutchie.

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1. We naderen de stad. Het bord geeft al aan dat er een file is.


2. Nog geen file te zien.
Dit deel van de stad is heuvelachtig.


3. De stad ziet er vrij groen uit. In de verte een hangbrug, de autoweg gaat over een brug direct hiernaast.


4. De Rhône. In de verte de basiliek “Notre Dame de Fourvière”.


5.


6. Nogmaals de basiliek.


7. Met een Porsche kom je nu ook niet sneller vooruit.


8. Semi-panorama. Er stonden hier heel wat bouwkranen.


9. We naderen de hangbrug.


10. Groot woonblok.


11. Mooi weer, in een Franse stad in de file, caravans op de weg: ik krijg een vakantiegevoel.


12. Nieuwbouw van het gebied Musee des Confluences. Links in de verte de Messeturm van Lyon.


13. Locals.


14.


15. Fietsers. Naast de autoweg liep een fietspad.


16. File-shot. In de verte maakt de weg een bocht en gaat door een paar tunnels. Daarna is de drukte voorbij.


17. Gebouwen op de oever van de Rhône.


18. En nog eens.


19. We rijden dicht langs de huizen in het centrum van Lyon.


20.


21. De weg maakt een bocht naar links en we verlaten de Rhône-oever.


22.


23.


24. We gaan een tunnel in …


25. … en weer uit.


26. De autoweg slingert verder door de stad.


27. We zijn nu dichter bij de basiliek.


28. En we verlaten het centrum.


29. Nog een paar grote woonblokken …


30. … en we zijn de stad uit en gaan richting de Porte de Lyon.


Bedankt voor het kijken!!
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Old October 26th, 2009, 09:20 PM   #750
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That motorway passes almost inside from Lyon city center?
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Old October 29th, 2009, 01:55 PM   #751
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Péage St. Arnould. It has 36 lanes, it may be the largest in the world.


[img]http://i34.************/ff7s3p.jpg[/img]
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Les Eprunes (A5) 47 lanes
Vienne (A7) 41 lane
St. Quentin Fallavier (A43) 36 lanes

probably there are some more giants. Spain also has some 30+ giants
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Old October 29th, 2009, 09:16 PM   #753
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Péage St. Arnould. It has 36 lanes, it may be the largest in the world.

Ooh là là, c'est magnifique!


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I found out that pic is actually the A5 toll station (Eprunes).
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Old October 30th, 2009, 11:33 AM   #755
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its pictures like these that make me love our (H) electronic vignette system: not even a single tree is sacrificed
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Old October 30th, 2009, 12:23 PM   #756
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I found out that pic is actually the A5 toll station (Eprunes).
Is it even full anytime?
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Old October 30th, 2009, 01:34 PM   #757
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its pictures like these that make me love our (H) electronic vignette system: not even a single tree is sacrificed
I agree. I find cash tolling stations to be ugly and obstructive. I'm not really a fan of toll roads at all, but when they are necessary I definitely prefer fully electronic tolling to cash booths. I cringe every time I'm looking at a highway on Google Maps and I see a cash tolling station. Over here, they are in the process of phasing out cash tolling on all of Sydney's motorways and replacing it with a fully electronic system.
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Is it even full anytime?
I doubt it, I've driven the A5 from Sens to Troyes, and there was no traffic at all. I guess this one was build for the summer peaks when Paris leaves for vacation. Same for that A10 toll station.
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I agree. I find cash tolling stations to be ugly and obstructive. I'm not really a fan of toll roads at all, but when they are necessary I definitely prefer fully electronic tolling to cash booths. I cringe every time I'm looking at a highway on Google Maps and I see a cash tolling station. Over here, they are in the process of phasing out cash tolling on all of Sydney's motorways and replacing it with a fully electronic system.
There are some differences between European and American/Australian toll roads.

For instance, the European travel is much more international, and many countries don't have toll roads as much as France and Italy. So implementing an ETC-only system is quite different than in the U.S. or Australia. European countries do offer electronic tolls, for instance Liber-T in France (seen on the picture).

However, they are working on a European-wide ETC-system, compatible in all countries. Right now, there are numerous toll systems, from eurovignettes for trucks in the Netherlands, German LKW maut, Polish truck toll, Slovak truck toll, Swiss vignettes, Swiss ETC-truck toll, Austrian vignettes, Austrian truck toll, Austrian toll booths, Hungarian e-vignettes, Slovenian vignettes, Czech vignettes, Stockholm ETC-congestion charge, Norwegian toll booths, Spanish tolls, Italian tolls, Croatian tolls, Montenegrin eco-vignette, Albanian entry toll, Greek tolls, Serbian tolls, Romanian vignettes, Bulgarian vignettes, Turkish tolls, Belorussian toll booths, etc, the list is endless.
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i will miss toll stations when they abolish them once here
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