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Old April 20th, 2010, 04:00 PM   #941
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I once did something like that, about the signage on Paris freeway system, see post #57
Yep, that's the one. Thanks!
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Old April 20th, 2010, 04:08 PM   #942
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PS: I don't know where you saw hints of potholes. If you were referring to the picture below, what you see here is not a hole in the pavement, it's actually an expansion joint at the entrance of a small bridge to allow the bridge to expand in summer.

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It's this type of expansion joint:




Voilà : http://www.flickr.com/photos/chriszw...7623880378156/
(From the full set on Flickr.)
I am by no means a pavement expert : my road-geekiness is mostly geographical. I like to know where roads go, even if I'll never be on the road in particular. Hence my, um, bemusement at the fact that there are lots of places in France where no one seems to be sure about what the number of a given road is. Hence also my fascination with French road signs : all those destinations are very informative, if impractical at 130 km/h. And my remark about the paragon-of-civilization-that-is-France was tongue in cheek - prompted by the fact that I spend way too much time on the forums of Le Monde, much of it being lectured on how barbarian Americans are. But no need to bring that over here. Bien à vous !
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Old April 20th, 2010, 04:27 PM   #943
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Giri took good pictures of France motorways

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Leaving Bordeaux on Pont d'Aquitaine :

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Reaching Charente-Maritime (good bye southern France ) : the vast plain from Saintes to the Ural mountains begins.

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Ahhh Poitou. Its marshes. Its flat landscapes. Poitou was my definition for boredom before visiting Picardy.

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North of Poitiers, slate roofs appear : that's the true France. Then the weather got disastrous as we went through central France.

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Near Orléans :

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And then Paris emerged. I wonder which feeling most foreigners get when reaching Paris. My feelings are always that it's where Jean-Marie Poiré's movies were shot. Bypassing Paris in the East :

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Old April 20th, 2010, 09:08 PM   #944
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The southernmost French road in Europe. Across the water you can see the island of Sardinia.
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The northenrmost French road in Europe. From here, walk about one mile along the beach and you enter Belgian Flander.
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The westernmost French road in Europe. The next land is America...
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The easternmost French road in Europe. These mountains are not the Alps. Extra point to the person who can guess what these mountains are.
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Old April 20th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #945
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The easternmost French road in Europe. These mountains are not the Alps. Extra point to the person who can guess what these mountains are.
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The mountains on Corsica? I was going to say the Vosges....
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Old April 20th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #946
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Corsica is indeed the easternmost French area in Europe. They're approximately 130 kilometers further east than the French-German border.

By the way; I was always surprised to see Liège signed on the A1/A2 split near Péronne. Charleroi comes first, but is not really an important hub, but Liège is a very important hub (I'm inclined to say it's the most important in Belgium after Brussels).
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Old April 21st, 2010, 01:26 AM   #947
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N200, Aléria, Northern Corsica, France, near Plage de padulone.
funny, Corsica holds two extremes. well quite normal, as it's an island. what about continental France - south and eastern-most?
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Old April 21st, 2010, 02:47 AM   #948
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funny, Corsica holds two extremes.
There are even ski resorts in Corsica !

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what about continental France - south and eastern-most?
Southern: Lamanère, Pyrénées-Orientales (42°19′55″N 02°32′00″E)

Nearby, the southernmost motorway (A9, French-Spanish border):




Eastern: Lauterbourg, Bas-Rhin (48°58′02″N 08°13′50″E)

Nearby, the easternmost Motorway (A35/N363, French-German border):
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Old April 21st, 2010, 11:46 AM   #949
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A4 Reims - Metz - St. Avold (A320)

This set follows the Autoroute A4 east, from the city of Reims via Verdun and Metz to the A320 interchange near St. Avold, where traffic towards central Germany exits, including most transit traffic towards Central Europe. This set follows A4 for approximately 230 kilometers.

I'll show the most important pictures here. I took a grand total of 166 pics on this part of A4.

Click here for all 166 pics

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Old April 21st, 2010, 07:03 PM   #950
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On your trip you crossed the historic border between the Romance and Germanic languages.

Here it's the last exit in Romance territory. According to the French national geographic institute (IGN), the field to the left of where you took this picture is called "la Justice", whereas the field to the right of your picture is called "Sous l'Echangeur" (i.e. "below the interchange", it must be a recent name).
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Here you're crossing the historic border between the Romance and Germanic languages. In your back, people spoke the Lorrain dialect, a Romance dialect of the Oïl languages. Ahead of you, people spoke Lorraine Franconian (a dialect that is most similar to the dialect spoken in Trier). Today, people speak French on both sides (the Lorrain dialect has almost completely disappeared, while Lorraine Franconian, which local people call "Platt", is still spoken by old people, especially in the villages). According to IGN, the field to the left of where you took this picture is called "Auf die Roemerstrasse", whereas the field to the right of your picture is called "la Montagne".
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Brouck is the first Germanic village on your road (the last Romance villages were Landonvillers and Varize). According to IGN, the field to the left of where you took this picture is called "Metschenwasen", whereas the field to the right of your picture is called "Ober am Dorwiese".
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 12:34 AM   #951
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A4 looks nice. I noticed that there is a lot of signage reminding of 1. world war.

and that also that kind of sign: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2792/...81a32cc4_o.jpg as there are only the german names on it
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and that also that kind of sign: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2792/...81a32cc4_o.jpg as there are only the german names on it
Actually those are the French names. The German names would be Freimengen-Merlenbach, Saarbrücken, Saargemünd, and Straßburg. Only Forbach has the same name in French and German.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 03:11 AM   #953
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well, the origin of names of tows is german of course. like Bolzano/Bozen in Italy.

btw Chris, why those pictures all look kinda red?
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 07:16 AM   #954
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Cool pics Chris. I wanna make some pics of the A40 near Nantua, but I haven't been there in years.
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The southernmost French road in Europe. Across the water you can see the island of Sardinia.
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i wouldn't say this is Sardinia. this is probably island Cavallo and Sardinia is maybe one of those hills behind it on the right.
look how Corsica looks from Santa Teresa de Gallura (almost northernmost point of Sardinia) with quite a zoom:

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A320 Forbach - Saarbrücken

This set follows A320 Autoroute eastbound into Germany, as a continuation from the previous A4 set.

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i wouldn't say this is Sardinia. this is probably island Cavallo and Sardinia is maybe one of those hills behind it on the right.
look how Corsica looks from Santa Teresa de Gallura (almost northernmost point of Sardinia) with quite a zoom:

This is Corsica seen from the northern tip of Sardinia on Google Street View. The distance seems consistent with the picture at the southern tip of Corsica that I posted. The picture you posted seems not zoomed at all. Don't forget that the distance between Corsica and Sardinia is only 12 km, which is only one-third the width of the Strait of Dover.

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Yes, end of the Roman Empire. Beyond lie frightening forests and Germanic tribes with long hair.
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Here in pic #16 you're still in France, despite the German sign.

I have indicated the exact location of the Franco-German border on your picture #17.

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Note that this border is the border that the Prussians forced on France in late 1815. At the Congress of Vienna in 1814 the allied powers had left Saarbrücken and all the Sarre Valley from Saarbrücken to Saarlouis to France, but in 1815 after Waterloo the Prussians insisted on punishing France for Napoleon's return, and in late 1815 they forced the French prime-minister to cede all the area from Saarbrücken to Saarlouis to Prussia (much to Austria's displeasure). Saarlouis (Sarrelouis) had been French since its foundation in the 17th century (it was named after Louis XIV). In Saarbrücken the municipal council was in favor of remaining part of France, but the mayor of Saarbrücken was demoted by the Prussians and a Prussian governor was put in charge. In 1919 the French tried to recover the border of 1814, but the UK and the US refused (they were afraid it would create an Alsace-Lorraine in reverse). Instead, they agreed to create a Sarre territory separate from Germany and under French control (but not part of France). Note that the Sarre territory (and today's Saarland) was larger than the territory which France had to cede to Prussia in 1815. The Sarre territory remained separate from Germany and under French authority (but not part of France) until 1956 when the inhabitants voted to return to Germany. The Deutsche Mark replaced the French franc in the Sarre only in July 1959.
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Ι noticed that few of the sections of A320 needs a repair at least
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Note the signage in images 24 and 26 on this post:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1116327

I've been noticing inconsistency on French signs about how foreign place-names are treated.

My question about these signs in particular: Is there a rule in France that larger cities in neighboring countries (Bruges, Ostend, Brussels - to use their English names because I'm writing in English) get labeled in French*, but smaller, less-known places (Veurne/Furnes, Ieper/Ypres) get both their local name and a French translation? Or did it just work out that way here? And if that is indeed the rule, or at least if it was the choice for signage in this area, I can't get my head around whether it makes sense.

More generally, are there official policies in place about this and the inconsistency is a result of signs still being in place that were posted when the rules were different?

*I realize Brussels is majority French-speaking even if it's officially bilingual.
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