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Old August 19th, 2010, 11:51 AM   #1141
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The problem in España is the amount of road numbers, not the number of destinations imo.
Yes, quite right. But in the end they leave the driver quite confused after not having had the time to read it all.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #1142
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A20 Châteauroux-Vierzon

This is the next morning.

A map, to begin with. This stretch is about 56 km:

[img]http://i33.************/1zmidtc.png[/img]

The pics (17 of them):

1. There we go again!

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2. The road is pretty straight, but not flat.

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3.

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4. Which is very well visible over here. Paris is still 213 km.

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5. Nice view here!

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6. Exit 10.

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7. Sort of an S-curve.

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8. The contralight doesn't make the pictures more beautiful

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9. The road is still excellent though

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10. Not much traffic today.

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11. We're getting closer to Vierzon.

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12. Which is where the A20 ends in the A71.

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13. It's still quite early.

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14. River "Le Cher".

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15.

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16. Later on we'll follow Orléans/Paris.

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17. Which is over here. This is the end of the A20.

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Old August 19th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #1143
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4. Which is very well visible over here. Paris is still 213 km.

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5. Nice view here!

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You've arrived in Northern France. Flat, flat flat. Boring!

When I was a kid and we drove from Southern to Northern France, everytime we passed Argenton-sur-Creuse it suddenly felt like a foreign country to me.

By the way, do you know why the main road from Châteauroux to Vierzon goes through Vatan instead of the much larger town of Issoudun? That's because when the royal highway was built in the 18th century, the people of Issoudun refused to have the royal highway go through their town (apparently they thought it would bring vagrants, dangerous travellers, and, maxima horror, modern philosophers to their town). Talk of a backward mentality!
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Old August 19th, 2010, 05:19 PM   #1144
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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #1145
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The terrain around this road which it is probably new, recently completed (?) its very nice

About this road north goes to Orleans, Paris... south goes to Toulouse?
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Old August 20th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #1146
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16. Later on we'll follow Orléans/Paris.

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I was born in Bourges.

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You've arrived in Northern France. Flat, flat flat. Boring!

When I was a kid and we drove from Southern to Northern France, everytime we passed Argenton-sur-Creuse it suddenly felt like a foreign country to me.
Northern France ? You mean Central France.
There is a big gap between the south and the north, a gap called "Centre".
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Old August 20th, 2010, 10:05 PM   #1147
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For someone from Toulouse, Northern France starts at Brive. And in terms of landscape it really starts to feel very northern and exotic after Argenton-sur-Creuse.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 01:49 AM   #1148
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So I cannot imagine how it is for Amiens, Rouen, Calais or Lille.

Some pictures I took on the A13.









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Old August 21st, 2010, 11:59 AM   #1149
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So I cannot imagine how it is for Amiens, Rouen, Calais or Lille.
The low countries must feel like the north pole to him
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Old August 21st, 2010, 01:57 PM   #1150
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Linking A50 and A57 in Toulon

Last time I was driving from Pamplona (Spain) to Milan (Italy) I decided to take the coast route because it was winter and there had been strong snowstorms near Clémont-Ferrand. Then, because the highways were not congested at all, I took a deviation: after Aix-en-Provence, instead of going over the A8 to Italy I took the A52, A50 and A57 back to A8. Very worthwhile detour, nice curves and so.

However, something bothered my profoundly: there was a street connection between A50 an A57 in Toulon.

Any planes to build a tunnel or elevated highway connecting the two highways there?
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Old August 21st, 2010, 02:10 PM   #1151
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There is a tunnel under construction under Toulon. The first tube (Italy>Marseille) is opened since a few years (2006?), the second tube for the other direction (around 3 km in length) will open in a few years (2012?).
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Old August 21st, 2010, 02:21 PM   #1152
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The first tube (east to west or A57 to A50) opened in 2002.

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I was travelling eastward, that is why I didn't find any tunnel then.
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The southern tunnel (west>>>east) ran into many problems. The soil is much more complex that what they had anticipated, they have to bore the tunnel below some buildings in downtown Toulon, part of the tunnel's ceiling collapsed, some buildings above were damaged, there were also some severe water leaks, so they had to stop all work for many months. It's a bit like what happened to the Big Dig in Boston. Now work on the tunnel was finally resumed last month, and the tunnel should open to traffic in mid-2013, God willing. Costs have doubled. The 2 km tunnel should cost 400 million euros in the end.



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Old August 22nd, 2010, 02:09 PM   #1155
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The first tube (east to west or A57 to A50) opened in 2002.

And the location of that tunnel is in Marseille or near Nice?
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 02:49 PM   #1156
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And the location of that tunnel is in Marseille or near Nice?
Toulon, honey bunny. it's written
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 03:55 AM   #1157
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Dante's vision of France tonight, before you fall into the arms of Morpheus.

Une route en Enfer.
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Une route au Paradis.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 10:56 AM   #1158
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Location, location, location?

Really beautiful pictures, especially the first one. Just after a fire?
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Guadaloupe?
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