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Old October 15th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #1241
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A5 Langres - Troyes

Having photographed the A5 between Sens and Troyes in 2008, it was time to do the eastern section in 2010, between Langres (A31) and Troyes. This section of Autoroute is rather interesting, and not as boring as many other northern France autoroutes. The quality is, as usual on toll roads, impeccable.

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Old October 15th, 2010, 11:59 PM   #1242
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Strasbourg crossroads of Europe.

Some stupid advertising line. It's not an important crossroad at all.
It's actually based on the etymology of the name "Strasbourg", from "Stratis-burgum" = "town (at the crossing of) roads".

Stratis- = strata (La) = Strasse (De) = street (En) = strada (It)
-burgum = Burg (De) = bourg/bourgeois (Fr) = borough (En) = borgo (It)
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Old October 16th, 2010, 12:18 AM   #1243
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I noticed there is no good route from the northwestern suburbs along A15 / A115 to central Paris.

If you drive the 2x4 A15, it doesn't continue to the BP, but you have to use A86 to stay on high-standard routes. However, there is no A1/A86 interchange, so you need to use regular streets to get to the BP. If you drive via La Défense, you will eventually end up on N13, which isn't a motorway / expressway either.
Minato Ku already answered about the A15 (hopefully they'll finish it someday). As for the N13, it's going to be burried in a tunnel below the Avenue Charles de Gaulle in Neuilly. It costs 1 billion euros (1.4 billion dollars) to do it, the Left is against it, but Sarkozy is in favor of it. When it's burried, it will simply become the continuation of the A14, all the way to the Périphérique.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 12:21 AM   #1244
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I wonder how would be Paris if everything was built.
Less traffic jams, less pollution.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 12:27 AM   #1245
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west and north of paris there's not one single motorway link to A86. There's A13, but there A86 ends.
The A14 and A15 both connect with the A86. The viaduct of the A15 over the Seine river is very impressive (particularly Cergy >> Paris-centre), the view there is perhaps the most spectacular urban view in Europe, on par with what one can see in the largest US metro areas. Minato Ku and I drove there last week.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 12:34 AM   #1246
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that's too bad. entire Paris area is dense, so that would mean no motorways?? that should not be a reason.
Only solution is a tunnel. Maybe after they do the N13/A14 tunnel in Neuilly.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #1247
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The A14 and A15 both connect with the A86. The viaduct of the A15 over the Seine river is very impressive (particularly Cergy >> Paris-centre), the view there is perhaps the most spectacular urban view in Europe, on par with what one can see in the largest US metro areas. Minato Ku and I drove there last week.
I meant peripherique -> A86.

I drove myself too on A15 over Seine, it's really spectacular. what's that below it, some kind of port or... ?
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Yes, the port of Gennevilliers. One of the larger inland ports of Europe (it doesn't beat Duisburg though).
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Old October 16th, 2010, 01:28 AM   #1249
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I meant peripherique -> A86.
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I drove myself too on A15 over Seine, it's really spectacular. what's that below it, some kind of port or... ?
It's the Port of Paris (located in Gennevilliers), which happens to be nothing less than the 2nd largest river port in Europe (behind Duisburg Port).
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Old October 16th, 2010, 02:02 AM   #1250
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A view of the Port of Paris (Gennevilliers), with the A15 viaduct.



My cousin used to cross that viaduct every morning to go to work in Saint-Denis (i.e. she crossed Cergy >> Paris-centre in the morning, and Paris-centre >> Cergy in the evening). She said every morning the 8 lanes were totally full of car, with long traffic jams. The best is to drive on it Cergy >> Paris-centre after 10pm, when there is less traffic and you can see all the lights of Central Paris ahead. It's one of the greatest driving experiences I know in Europe (go to the Ikea in Franconville, stay there till it closes at 10pm, then return to Central Paris via A15, then A86 southbound, then tunnel of the A14 eastbound, then N13, then Avenue de la Grande Armée, Arc de Triomphe, and Champs-Elysées, it's grand! ).

Just before the viaduct:


The viaduct from below:
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Bad views from over the viaduct (the most impressive view with La Défense and the Eiffel Tower is to the right, not visible here):
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Montmartre as seen from the viaduct:
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Old October 16th, 2010, 02:05 AM   #1251
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How about the view from N118, I believe I saw a picture from it once...
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Old October 16th, 2010, 02:08 AM   #1252
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France has some really nice highways.

Is it just me (and forgive me, I don't follow this thread regularly), but the roads all seem to be in immaculate condition. Impressive!
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Old October 16th, 2010, 02:22 AM   #1253
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How about the view from N118, I believe I saw a picture from it once...
Yes, the plunge down to Central Paris on the N118 and on the A13 are both impressive too, but I find the A15 viaduct even more impressive. It's longer than the N118 and A13 plunges. Also, it's further from Central Paris, so you see more of the huge urban area around. On the N118 and A13 the view is more limited if I remember correctly.

In purely aesthetic terms though, the arrival in Central Paris on the A13 and N118 is probably more beautiful, because you don't go over industrial lands as is the case with the A15. But personally I prefer the larger angle and more unpolished, chaotic vision from the A15 viaduct.

Another great one which I showed to Minato Ku and Metropolitan last week is the arrival in Greater Paris on the N1 (now renamed D316). Southbound from Chantilly, you're in the countryside, no Paris in sight, you climb a hill after Ecouen, and suddenly as you pass the summit of the hill, WOW!, the huge urbanized expanse of Greater Paris is right in front of you. It's shocking when you don't expect it (which was my case the first time I drove there southbound). It's a super sharp transition from almost empty open field countryside to megacity in just a few hundred meters.
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France has some really nice highways.

Is it just me (and forgive me, I don't follow this thread regularly), but the roads all seem to be in immaculate condition. Impressive!
That's what you get when you pay more than 70% taxes per liter of gas + expensive tolls on the motorways/freeways (except in the metropolitan areas). Sometimes though, I'd rather pay cheaper gas and no toll, and have less immaculate roads.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 10:31 AM   #1255
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Another great one which I showed to Minato Ku and Metropolitan last week is the arrival in Greater Paris on the N1 (now renamed D316). Southbound from Chantilly, you're in the countryside, no Paris in sight, you climb a hill after Ecouen, and suddenly as you pass the summit of the hill, WOW!, the huge urbanized expanse of Greater Paris is right in front of you. It's shocking when you don't expect it (which was my case the first time I drove there southbound). It's a super sharp transition from almost empty open field countryside to megacity in just a few hundred meters.
I remember a similar situation coming from N2 from Laon. The area around the Paris metropolitan area is sparsely populated and the transition from very rural to continuously urbanized is pretty fast from most inbound routes.
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A photo when I was on the A15 viaduc with Brisavoine and Metropolitan


The really impressive view is on the oposite way, I couldn't made a decent picture of it.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 06:38 PM   #1257
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What did you mean exactly?
direct motorway links from peripherique to A86. there is nothing from porte de bagnolet to porte d'auteil (north and west), which is more then a half of the peripherique.
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The eastern side of Paris has better infrastructure than the western side anyway. Lots of gaps in western Paris. I've read they want to construct A104 between Cergy and Orgeval? Would be a nice idea to finish the Francilienne.

If you have the A104 -> N104 -> N118 -> A86 -> A13 -> A104 -> N184 -> N104 route (clockwise), you have a full ring road of 200 kilometers length.
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direct motorway links from peripherique to A86. there is nothing from porte de bagnolet to porte d'auteil (north and west), which is more then a half of the peripherique.
That's not true. The A14/N13 connects the Périphérique with the A86. In any case, when you're on the Pérhiphérique you don't really need a connection with the A86, and vice versa, given that these two freeways run parallel to each other.
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A39 Bourg-en-Bresse - Dole - Dijon

A set from almost the entire A39 from Bourg-en-Bresse via Lons-le-Saunier and Dole to Dijon. These photos were taken in early September, but I haven't uploaded them until now. The first section is in the fog, but the sky clears pretty abruptly further north.

Enjoy
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