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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:34 AM   #1401
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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:37 AM   #1402
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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:39 AM   #1404
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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:40 AM   #1405
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Old January 8th, 2011, 11:09 AM   #1406
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Not necessary.
Yes, it is. People go to work between 7 and 10, and pay full price. It isn't very interesting (nor useful) to know that at night it is cheaper.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #1407
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I took the 35% subscriber discount into account.

And indeed most people will commute between 7 and 10 am.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 12:20 PM   #1408
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Paris - Versailles

22h00 - 06h00 : 2 euros
06h00 - 07h00 : 6 euros
07h00 - 10h00 : 9 euros
10h00 - 16h00 : 7 euros
16h00 - 21h00 : 6 euros
21h00 - 22h00 : 6 euros
Something i didnt knew about the tolls in France...
Those prices wich changing at day time hours, is in all tolls, or only in Paris - Versailles? I am asking because here we dont have/use different price for night or day even in tolls outside the city (in A1 and A8 roads).
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Old January 8th, 2011, 12:24 PM   #1409
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As far as I know, toll prices are usually fixed, except for some urban toll roads in Greater Paris. Spain uses variable toll prices for some intercity motorways, for example AP-36 (Ocaña - La Roda a.k.a. from the middle of nowhere to the neck of the woods).
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Old January 8th, 2011, 12:58 PM   #1410
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I see they built a high-tech tunnel and they put such prices so they won't have traffic jams and vinci, again. they are everywhere.

interesting idea, covoiturage http://www.covoiturage.fr/
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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #1411
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Yes, it is. People go to work between 7 and 10, and pay full price. It isn't very interesting (nor useful) to know that at night it is cheaper.
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I took the 35% subscriber discount into account.

And indeed most people will commute between 7 and 10 am.
Yes of course, people commute between 7 and 10 am, but if you do it daily, you will suscribe an "abonnement" or organizing carpooling.

More an more people have non-classical hours of work with staggered hours or night work. So it's interresant to pay less just after and before rush hour 06-07h, 10h-16h, 21h-22h.


Paris - Versailles

22h00 - 06h00 : 2 euros
06h00 - 07h00 : 6 euros
07h00 - 10h00 : 9 euros
10h00 - 16h00 : 7 euros
16h00 - 21h00 : 9 euros
21h00 - 22h00 : 6 euros

It's quite impossible to pay € 2.925,- per year as sayed ChrisZwolle.

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Daily commuters using this tunnel in its entirety will spend € 2.925,- per year in tolls (based on 250 work-days).
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Something i didnt knew about the tolls in France...
Those prices wich changing at day time hours, is in all tolls, or only in Paris - Versailles? I am asking because here we dont have/use different price for night or day even in tolls outside the city (in A1 and A8 roads).

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As far as I know, toll prices are usually fixed, except for some urban toll roads in Greater Paris. Spain uses variable toll prices for some intercity motorways, for example AP-36 (Ocaña - La Roda a.k.a. from the middle of nowhere to the neck of the woods).
Also on A14 ( also called "rich highway") betweenn St Germain and Nanterre (the part until La Defense is free) there is a

In Paris the only 2 urbans highway are on West, the most rich area.


A14 :


http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorou...%C3%A7aise_A14


http://www.cgedd.developpement-durab..._cle5ac1c4.pdf

06h00 - 10h00 : 7,70 euros
10h00 - 16h00 : 5,60 euros
16h00 - 20h00 : 7,70 euros
20h00 - 06h00 : 5,60 euros
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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:53 PM   #1412
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It's quite impossible to pay € 2.925,- per year as sayed ChrisZwolle.
Let me help you;

€ 9 * 2 times per day * 250 workdays = € 4.500, -35% = € 2.925

Not to mention the number of times you will pass through for non-commute reasons. (likely in the cheaper hours).
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Old January 8th, 2011, 09:21 PM   #1413
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how many tubes does that tunnel have? i know it is on 2 levels, but if it has one toll station, and 3 exit points, it must have divided directions for Vaucresson, and other one(s)
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Old January 8th, 2011, 10:03 PM   #1414
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Let me help you;

€ 9 * 2 times per day * 250 workdays = € 4.500, -35% = € 2.925

Not to mention the number of times you will pass through for non-commute reasons. (likely in the cheaper hours).
It's actually a lot less than what a lot of train commuters pay. But still for a section of that length, it is a lot of money.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 10:14 PM   #1415
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It's actually a lot less than what a lot of train commuters pay. But still for a section of that length, it is a lot of money.
You're comparing a short toll section with an entire train trip. That's what they call apples and oranges. You also have to factor in fuel cost, maintenance, insurance, annual road tax, parking costs, etc. If you factor in all cost rail commuters almost always pay less than car commuters, but many still prefer the car, despite all the traffic congestion, ample public transport, parking troubles, higher cost, etc. Now what does that tell you?
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Old January 8th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #1416
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It's actually a lot less than what a lot of train commuters pay. But still for a section of that length, it is a lot of money.
As Chris said, add to that: fuel, car insurance, parking fees (especially in Paris IM) etc....

And, then, try to write the same sentence..
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Yeah, but a lot of train commuters have cars, so they still have to pay insurance, but I guess thats besides the point.

But basiacally a lot of people pay many many thousands of currency.
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Old January 9th, 2011, 12:19 AM   #1418
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I don't understand where all the tax money goes
To finance the enormous welfare state. In France someone not working can get more than 800 euros per month from the French state by adding the minimum income for people without revenues + financial help to pay the rent for an apartment. If that person has children, he/she will get even more money from the state. That person also gets totally free healthcare (including dental care and all the most costly hospital treatments). In Greater Paris that person also gets a free pass renewed every 3 months to use all the Métro, RER, train and bus lines within all zones of Greater Paris for free. Last but not least, if that persons happens to rent an apartment inside the City of Paris proper, he/she will get an extra 150 euros benefit from the City of Paris to help pay the rent. There are also Xmas gifts for Xmas (a 150 euros check that adds up to the minimum income), plus some other goodies that I'm forgetting now (free entance in museums, free entrance in the Paris swimming pools, etc.).
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Old January 9th, 2011, 12:32 AM   #1419
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That's not different from countries which finance their entire road system out of tax money.

Granted, the amount of money spend on roads compared to the entire government budget is still very small though. In the Netherlands about € 8 billion out of a € 200 billion budget is spend on road/rail/water infrastructure.
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You have to factor in the size of the country: France is a large country for Europe, the largest country in the EU in fact, yet its population is rather low for the size of its territory. The Dutch can invest much more on roads given that the density of tax payers per km² of land (or the number of tax payers per km of roads if you prefer) is much higher than in France. The problem is compounded in France by the fact that the road network is very dense (more than 1 million km of paved roads in France).
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