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Old January 9th, 2011, 12:40 AM   #1421
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To finance the enormous welfare state. In France someone not working can get more than 800 euros per month from the French state by adding the minimum income for people without revenues + financial help to pay the rent for an apartment. If that person has children, he/she will get even more money from the state. That person also gets totally free healthcare (including dental care and all the most costly hospital treatments). In Greater Paris that person also gets a free pass renewed every 3 months to use all the Métro, RER, train and bus lines within all zones of Greater Paris for free. Last but not least, if that persons happens to rent an apartment inside the City of Paris proper, he/she will get an extra 150 euros benefit from the City of Paris to help pay the rent. There are also Xmas gifts for Xmas (a 150 euros check that adds up to the minimum income), plus some other goodies that I'm forgetting now (free entance in museums, free entrance in the Paris swimming pools, etc.).
The minimum wage in Portugal is €500 a month and the French unemployment benefits are €800+ a month!
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Old January 9th, 2011, 12:45 AM   #1422
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No, unemployment benefits are higher. The figure I gave here is "minimum income" (which is what the governement gives you after you run out of unemployment benefits) + housing benefits.
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Old January 9th, 2011, 12:45 AM   #1423
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Let me help you;

€ 9 * 2 times per day * 250 workdays = € 4.500, -35% = € 2.925

Not to mention the number of times you will pass through for non-commute reasons. (likely in the cheaper hours).
I thought you count that before the 35% reduction. It's really too much.

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how many tubes does that tunnel have? i know it is on 2 levels, but if it has one toll station, and 3 exit points, it must have divided directions for Vaucresson, and other one(s)
1 tube. The high limit is 2m.


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Old January 9th, 2011, 12:45 AM   #1424
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Social assistance (the lowest benefit available) is around € 800 in the Netherlands as well, plus numerous subsidies for rent, transport, children, etc. Portugal however always lagged behind other western European countries and is now passed by countries like Slovenia in an economical sense. Unemployment benefit depends on your work history in the Netherlands, minimum wage is some € 1200 per month.
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Old January 9th, 2011, 02:03 AM   #1425
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Buying power in Portugal is so low .

On the diagram two posts above, there is a section of the tunnel that says Bande d'arrêt d'urgence, but on both levels it's in the same place, so in one direction, the hard shoulder is on the wrong side? I guess it's so there's emergency exits on one side right?
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Old January 9th, 2011, 02:11 AM   #1426
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1 tube. The high limit is 2m.
if there is one tube, how do they handle with different fees due to exit? i am sure there is no ticket system, but you pay immidiately while entering the tunnel, but how can they be sure they you will take Vaucresson exit when you paid the fee for only that section? what is the system for the tolls?
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Old January 9th, 2011, 08:18 AM   #1427
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Old January 9th, 2011, 08:19 AM   #1428
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Buying power in Portugal is so low .

On the diagram two posts above, there is a section of the tunnel that says Bande d'arrêt d'urgence, but on both levels it's in the same place, so in one direction, the hard shoulder is on the wrong side? I guess it's so there's emergency exits on one side right?
I taked it on 2 sides, and I didn't remarked that the emergency line was on left on 1 side.

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if there is one tube, how do they handle with different fees due to exit? i am sure there is no ticket system, but you pay immidiately while entering the tunnel, but how can they be sure they you will take Vaucresson exit when you paid the fee for only that section? what is the system for the tolls?
I don't know. I only taked it when the 1st part of the tunnel was opened Rueil Malmaison - Vaucresson and there was only 1 toll at Rueil Malmaison. And you payed directly at it. No tickets.

Now there are 3 tolls, at all entries and exits. I guee that you take a ticket and then you pay at the exit.
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I taked it on 2 sides, and I didn't remarked that the emergency line was on left on 1 side.
The hard shoulder is on one side because there are the stairs connecting the two decks. In this way people using them in case of danger don't exit on a traffic lane.
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Old January 9th, 2011, 08:47 PM   #1430
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I am afraid peope will run faster (or slower), ignoring rules of the road, just to arrive at the tunnel within the time period they can pay less... I have no doubt this will happen.
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I am afraid peope will run faster (or slower), ignoring rules of the road, just to arrive at the tunnel within the time period they can pay less... I have no doubt this will happen.
This happens a bit in Stockholm where we have congestion charge that differs depending on the hour. But it's just during the 30 seconds or so before the change. A lot of Spanish autopistas have the same system with flexible fares.
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so there is ticket system? really weird for such a short section, especially when we consider it's a tunnel
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Old January 10th, 2011, 10:09 PM   #1433
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No motorcycles allowed? How come? (2m clearance I'm guessing)
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Old January 10th, 2011, 10:53 PM   #1434
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This tunnel is considered dangerous for them, but don't ask me why.
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This whole tunnel is substandard. With all the industry around Gennevilliers it should've been a regular tunnel open to all traffic. Right now it's a CEO tunnel for all fancy La Défense jobs.
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There was another tunnel planned, for all traffic, starting from near the northern portal of this one to somewhere on the east of the opened tunnel. It was planned as a single tube tunnel, with a single lane per direction, and without rescue tunnel: today it could not be built like this ==> adapring the project would cost more money ==> it has been abandoned.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 08:03 AM   #1437
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This whole tunnel is substandard. With all the industry around Gennevilliers it should've been a regular tunnel open to all traffic. Right now it's a CEO tunnel for all fancy La Défense jobs.
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There was another tunnel planned, for all traffic, starting from near the northern portal of this one to somewhere on the east of the opened tunnel. It was planned as a single tube tunnel, with a single lane per direction, and without rescue tunnel: today it could not be built like this ==> adapring the project would cost more money ==> it has been abandoned.
If I remember right, since Mt Blanc tunnel catastrophe, this 2*1 tunnel is delayed (also economic issue).

This is the other planned Rueil Malmaison (A 86) - Bailly (A 12) :

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This whole tunnel is substandard.
And yet it cost so much money.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 01:38 AM   #1439
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Last pictures taken yesterday (Jan. 18) of the Franco-Brazilian bridge over the Oyapock River. The new date set for inauguration is sometime this Spring.

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