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Old February 26th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #1461
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Is that a lowland area, or just flooded by heavy rain?
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Old February 26th, 2011, 09:21 PM   #1462
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Those are the floodplains of the Saône River. It is one of the most important tributaries of the Rhône River.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 09:22 PM   #1463
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Is that a lowland area, or just flooded by heavy rain?
It's a cold area, and that's snow, perhaps? Far more likely - if there was lots of flooding then it would be hard to work on it.

WikiSara gives an opening date of next Monday - at this short range, that's probably going to be the case.
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Old February 26th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #1464
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I was in Macon already, and saone is a wide river in normal conditions as well.
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Old February 27th, 2011, 01:13 AM   #1465
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Don't you just love Viamichelin maps? In my opinion they are by far the best in Europe. Google Maps is easier to use but Viamichelin looks better.
It's interesting that we all see things differently. Maybe it's what you're used to that influences a preference like this. I've never really liked Michelin maps; visually, they look distinctive, but I find them quite short on detail - particularly in junction layouts. (My favourite maps here in the UK are the A-Z ones which I find are very good in this area...although I accept that, again, that may just be familiarity playing its part.)
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Old February 27th, 2011, 01:48 AM   #1466
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Ah, but for other places in Europe, A-Z mapping doesn't exist, or isn't very good. Plus it's not online.

I'd use Michelin when the other side of La Manche, but A-Z or OS (depending on use) in Britain. Ireland is a bit awkward as the maps tend to be reasonable, but not excellent, cartographically speaking.
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Old March 6th, 2011, 04:09 PM   #1467
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There are some problems in the Lake Geneva region. The south shore is quite densely populated, and it lacks a good east-west connection. There is an expressway bypass at Thonon, but not at Evián. A bypass is planned at Saint Gingolph.

My proposed route:


This route would have several benefits, first for the local communities which are suffering from through truck traffic in this area, and local holiday traffic. It will also create a better east-west route through this area.

The current east-west routes are via Switzerland or through the Mont Blanc Tunnel. The Mont Blanc tunnel has a very high truck toll, as much as € 250 for a single passage. Hence, many truckers are taking the Simplon Pass as an alternate route. However, the motorway route via Lausanne is another € 90 more expensive than the route via the south shore of Lake Geneva, hence many truckers drive from French A40 to Swiss A9 via Thonon and Evian.

In reality, constructing this voie expresse (or full autoroute) is what they call "symptom battling". The actual problem is that the Mont Blanc Route is too expensive, and the Swiss A1/A9 is another expensive alternate. However, I don't see tolls for the Mont Blanc go down nor the truck tolls in Switzerland. (€ 0,72 per km!) Hence, building this new route seems like the best option.
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Old March 6th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #1468
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I doubt tolls will get cheaper in the tunnels. They spent a hell of money in refurbishments after the fires (1999 Mont Blanc, 2001 Fréjus). Moreover, there is limited capacity for trucks. But it is yet to be seen whether a much cheaper toll could increase traffic and justify the digging of new bores.
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Old March 6th, 2011, 07:26 PM   #1469
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There are some problems in the Lake Geneva region. The south shore is quite densely populated, and it lacks a good east-west connection. There is an expressway bypass at Thonon, but not at Evián. A bypass is planned at Saint Gingolph.

My proposed route:

This route would have several benefits, first for the local communities which are suffering from through truck traffic in this area, and local holiday traffic. It will also create a better east-west route through this area.

The current east-west routes are via Switzerland or through the Mont Blanc Tunnel. The Mont Blanc tunnel has a very high truck toll, as much as € 250 for a single passage. Hence, many truckers are taking the Simplon Pass as an alternate route. However, the motorway route via Lausanne is another € 90 more expensive than the route via the south shore of Lake Geneva, hence many truckers drive from French A40 to Swiss A9 via Thonon and Evian.

In reality, constructing this voie expresse (or full autoroute) is what they call "symptom battling". The actual problem is that the Mont Blanc Route is too expensive, and the Swiss A1/A9 is another expensive alternate. However, I don't see tolls for the Mont Blanc go down nor the truck tolls in Switzerland. (€ 0,72 per km!) Hence, building this new route seems like the best option.
Is a really good option. I would call it A41 (An extension of current A41) and I would realign the E62 there, as current Swiss routes have already E-numbers (E25 and E27). But then the once proposed by me E62 Simplon Tunnel should be built, and that is a lot of money, too...
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Old March 6th, 2011, 09:00 PM   #1470
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There are some problems in the Lake Geneva region. The south shore is quite densely populated, and it lacks a good east-west connection. There is an expressway bypass at Thonon, but not at Evián. A bypass is planned at Saint Gingolph.

My proposed route:
This project/idea is .....

It was named Autoroute TransChablaisienne (A400: Annemasse <-> Thonon). But due to its huge cost, and because of environmental issues, it was spectacularly canceled by a last-minute decision in 1997, while the project had been approved and voted and the works was about to begin !

More info. in French about this former project: wikia.com/wiki/Autoroute A400


Today, as far as I know, an expressway (voie rapide) between Annemasse and Thonon is planned, but nothing sure apparently. That's why the Annecy 2018 Olympic bid committee decided to delete Morzine-Avoriaz from their list of venues, because the IOC's evaluation report pointed out the access issues of the area.
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Old March 7th, 2011, 05:59 PM   #1471
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A406 around Mâcon opened to traffic today

http://bourgogne.france3.fr/info/sud...-67642529.html
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Old March 8th, 2011, 03:24 AM   #1472
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somebody know why A1 and A86 are closed during the night (21h-5h) these days?
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Old March 9th, 2011, 01:14 AM   #1473
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Would suppose so-called "traffic-calming" initiative, by those who a better for a driver is a worse.

EDIT - been too pesimistic. Just a safety-aimed modernization programm for tunnels.

http://www.tunnels-idf.fr/
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Old March 10th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #1474
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A406 around Mâcon opened to traffic today

http://bourgogne.france3.fr/info/sud...-67642529.html
hm, was that really necessary? 12.000 vehicles.... Macon was not the worst served city before already. But, anyhow, nice freeway
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Old March 10th, 2011, 09:45 AM   #1475
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It will eventually connect to N79, which will be turned into a new east-west axis through France. East-west routes in central France aren't very good routes. A89 begins too far south and A85 is too short.
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Old March 10th, 2011, 01:33 PM   #1476
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It already connects to the N79 (which is a VE there) - what doesn't happen is the N79 being fully Voie Express all the way to the A20 - it's piecemeal at the moment. The VE doesn't get far.

They could have made the A6/A40 junction full access as a bodge solution, but the A406 is a far better solution.
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Old March 10th, 2011, 01:50 PM   #1477
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Would suppose so-called "traffic-calming" initiative, by those who a better for a driver is a worse.

EDIT - been too pesimistic. Just a safety-aimed modernization programm for tunnels.

http://www.tunnels-idf.fr/
Perhaps of a bad weather, snow fall?
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Old March 10th, 2011, 08:35 PM   #1478
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A question AND a remark about online maps, in a single post:

I just checked both Google Maps and viamichelin.fr to see how they're handling the numbering on the old A4 through Reims and the new bypass. Google Maps doesn't show the new segment at all. Michelin does, at some scales, but doesn't have a number on it. SO (1) don't assume Google is up to the minute (I was realizing that already) and (2) does anyone know what the numbers are?
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Old March 26th, 2011, 08:36 PM   #1479
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Two weeks ago I drove Autostrada dei Fiori and then Autoroute Provancale (A8) in France. I find it ridiculous that I had to stop in each 10-15 kilometers at toll stations and pay 1-3 euros for non-human machines that don't accept banknotes but coins. Finally I got out of coins and had to ask some of my passangers to borrow me some.

It was also strange for me that French motorays have steeper uphill/downhill sections and sharper curves than those of other countries like Italy or Germany.
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Old March 26th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #1480
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I prefer Italian toll system. You can take a ticket in Ventimiglia and pay in Taranto, in the other end of the country.

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A question AND a remark about online maps, in a single post:

I just checked both Google Maps and viamichelin.fr to see how they're handling the numbering on the old A4 through Reims and the new bypass. Google Maps doesn't show the new segment at all. Michelin does, at some scales, but doesn't have a number on it. SO (1) don't assume Google is up to the minute (I was realizing that already) and (2) does anyone know what the numbers are?
I have already assumed that Google is not up to date. They already mark some E07 sections as open and God knows when they will open. But where is Open Street Map (Which is updated when a new road opens!)...
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