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Old June 15th, 2011, 09:47 AM   #1581
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Because the Italians sold it to France. They needed cash.
It wasn't Italians. It was the Genoese. People from Genoa are known in Italy because they are stereotypically portrayed as stingy
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Old June 15th, 2011, 02:24 PM   #1582
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Those last photos, the motorway in Corsika its from the area of Bastia?
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Old June 15th, 2011, 08:03 PM   #1583
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Only the last three, the others are from Ajaccio area methinks.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 09:40 PM   #1584
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Hah, the same shop exists in bulgaria aswell, great. I also like the brown grass, it reminds of hot summers and somehow looks much more mediterranian than the gree grass everywhere.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 12:07 PM   #1585
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France: it seems that the logjam around the plan to build a motorway link between Bourges and Troyes (A26 b) has been broken, despite fierce opposition by environmentalists.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #1586
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While almost no-one would use the whole A26 from Calais to Bourges (a closer tangent of Paris - the A/N104, for instance - would be better), the Reims area routes from Lorraine, Belgium (especially when the A304 and Belgian A5 are done), Luxembourg would be able to funnel down to the Vierzon/Bourges area routes from the south and west (A20, A71/75 (though you'd use the A77 to get to them), A85) like on that map.

What's missing off that map is the journeys offered via the A5 and A6 - though the E607 and E62 RECA routes would be better for the routes heading south, Nancy - Nantes and Basel - Brest would likely use the A26 option.

It's certainly a link with potential to be a fairly important cross-France route.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 02:54 PM   #1587
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While almost no-one would use the whole A26 from Calais to Bourges (a closer tangent of Paris - the A/N104, for instance - would be better), the Reims area routes from Lorraine, Belgium (especially when the A304 and Belgian A5 are done), Luxembourg would be able to funnel down to the Vierzon/Bourges area routes from the south and west (A20, A71/75 (though you'd use the A77 to get to them), A85) like on that map.

What's missing off that map is the journeys offered via the A5 and A6 - though the E607 and E62 RECA routes would be better for the routes heading south, Nancy - Nantes and Basel - Brest would likely use the A26 option.

It's certainly a link with potential to be a fairly important cross-France route.
What's the A304? And I assume the A5 is the thing from Charleroi south that the Belgian press calls the E420 (and which really ought to be E41x, as it's west of the E25)?
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A304 is a planned motorway in Northern France from Charleville-Mézières to the Belgian border, which should continue as A5 to Charleroi.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 03:35 PM   #1589
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Nice to see France getting into the mood to build more highways! However, I still think the most badly missing link in France is some fast connection Toulouse-Lyon.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 05:05 PM   #1590
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I still think the most badly missing link in France is some fast connection Toulouse-Lyon.
Like a connection between the A47 and the A68? Any plans for that?
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Old June 27th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #1591
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I would like to see this part of N19 near Mulhouse turned into a motorway-like road.

http://maps.google.fr/maps?saddr=N19...=1,0&sz=11&z=7

than I could use Gothard variant for my trip Paris-Slo, and it would save me 100 km, cost remains the same.

http://maps.google.fr/maps?saddr=Bd+...sz=8&via=1&z=6
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Old June 27th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #1592
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Like a connection between the A47 and the A68? Any plans for that?
several works are done beetwen Albi and Rodez, for example the widening of Albi bypass to 2x2. it is expected to have a continuous 2x2 road Beetwen Toulouse and Rodez in 2018-2020
on the eastern side a 2X2 bypass of the town of Le Puy is being built, it is planed for 2014 or 2015
the big problem is on the central part where nothing is being planed soon. some bypass of cities like Mende or Langogne are planned but it won't be built soon
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Old June 28th, 2011, 08:10 AM   #1593
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several works are done beetwen Albi and Rodez, for example the widening of Albi bypass to 2x2. it is expected to have a continuous 2x2 road Beetwen Toulouse and Rodez in 2018-2020
on the eastern side a 2X2 bypass of the town of Le Puy is being built, it is planed for 2014 or 2015
the big problem is on the central part where nothing is being planed soon. some bypass of cities like Mende or Langogne are planned but it won't be built soon
Thanks max9309. I guess with the planned improvements you describe, the direct route will become faster than detouring to the south to take the A9 (currently the fastest route). Once most of the traffic shifts to the direct route, the higher traffic numbers might create sufficient pressure to invest in further improvements, eventually resulting in 2x2 roads all the way through.
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Toulouse is also the fastest growing metropolitan area in France, and one of the fastest growing of Europe as well. It grew from 500 000 people around 1970 to over 1 100 000 people today. Those are American-like growth rates. Nearly all motorway infrastructure in Toulouse was constructed after 1970, and the A61-A62 corridor wasn't completed until 1988.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 06:03 PM   #1595
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From Google Earth, Toulouse seems to be lacking thruways though, some suburbia lands seem only reachable through small 2x1 roads. A second ringbelt wouldn't hurt as well.

Are there any plan for new road development in the Toulouse metropolitan area ?
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Old June 28th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #1596
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From Google Earth, Toulouse seems to be lacking thruways though, some suburbia lands seem only reachable through small 2x1 roads. A second ringbelt wouldn't hurt as well.

Are there any plan for new road development in the Toulouse metropolitan area ?
not realy, a far eastern bypass for transit traffic which would have included the small A 680 was cancelled two years ago
the actual ring is congested every day and some sections of the southern part are only a 2x2 roads, theorically works to upgrade it to 2x3 are planned soon but no news about that
an other project is the northern extention of the "milky way", the road from Toulouse to Blagnac airport. in the future it must reach the A 62 near St Jory

heres a map, in blue the southern 2x2 section of the ring, in red the northern extension of the milky way

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There are some funny road names around Toulouse. After the Rainbow freeway, the Milky Way!
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Toulouse could do with a fast urban expressway network. It has space for a bunch of elevated expressways.

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I'm now in Clermont-Ferrand. Tomorrow I'll drive all the way to Bordeaux and then Spain. Too bad I'll still have to drive around a 3km single-lane road at Brive-la-Gallardie. It will be my 3rd drive on A89, but the first in summer time.
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Toulouse could do with a fast urban expressway network. It has space for a bunch of elevated expressways.

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I'm now in Clermont-Ferrand. Tomorrow I'll drive all the way to Bordeaux and then Spain. Too bad I'll still have to drive around a 3km single-lane road at Brive-la-Gallardie. It will be my 3rd drive on A89, but the first in summer time.
theorically this small stretch, now a departemental road linking two motorways!, must be upgraded to a 2x2 road (probably classified as A89) but only god knows when..
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The bridge over the Oyapock River is now almost completed. Here is the latest picture. It comes from an article in a French newspaper that I post below.

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Un pont en partage entre Guyane et Brésil

La Croix
6 juillet 2011

Le fleuve Oyapock, frontière entre France et Brésil, pourra être bientôt franchi grâce à un pont.


Le fleuve Oyapock, frontière entre la France et le Brésil que le pont enjambe, est franchi quotidiennement, dans les deux sens, sur des pirogues.

L’extrême limite de la République, c’est ici, à Saint-Georges-de-l’Oyapock, dans l’est de la Guyane. Cette bourgade de 3500 habitants s’accroche au bord du fleuve Oyapock, qui tient lieu de frontière entre la France et le Brésil. Oui, aux confins, mais sans doute plus pour très longtemps car désormais, non loin de la localité, la construction du pont devant relier les deux rives et promettant le territoire français ultramarin au désenclavement, est sur le point d’être achevée.

Nicolas Sarkozy et son homologue brésilienne, Dilma Rousseff, pourraient inaugurer vers la fin de cette année 2001 l’ouvrage, qui est unique dans la mesure où il crée un passage direct entre un territoire de l’Union européenne et un pays de l’Amérique latine.

Pour autant, la population de Saint-Georges-de-l’Oyapock n’est pas très enthousiaste. À l’instar de Modestine, créole sexagénaire qui tient le plus vieil hôtel-restaurant de la commune, opportunément appelé « Chez Modestine ». « Je ne vois pas ce que le pont peut nous apporter, dit-elle avec une moue ricanante. Les gens vont venir de Cayenne pour passer comme des flèches de l’autre côté. Ils ne s’arrêteront plus à Saint-Georges. C’est sûr, nous aurons une petite ville morte ! »

Un symbole de coopération

Le pont s’élève, avec élégance et majesté, entre deux immensités de la forêt amazonienne. Achevé à la fin du mois de mai dernier, son tablier fait 378 mètres de long et comporte deux voies de 3,5 mètres de largeur, plus deux voies pour cyclistes et piétons. Il est porté par deux pylônes de 83 mètres de hauteur et des faisceaux de haubans.

L’ensemble est construit par le groupement brésilien Egesa/CMT et son coût (plus de 50 millions d’euros) sera partagé entre les deux pays. La décision d’ériger l’ouvrage a été prise en 2005 par les présidents Jacques Chirac et Luiz Inacio Lula, sous la forme d’un accord ratifié par les deux pays dans les mois qui ont suivi. Elle a été confirmée en septembre 2008, lors d’une rencontre de Nicolas Sarkozy et Luiz Inacio Lula à Saint-Georges-de-l’Oyapock, et les travaux ont commencé en septembre 2009.

Le pont – dont on annonce qu’il sera sans péage – est d’abord la consécration symbolique, décidée au plus haut niveau, d’une coopération des diplomaties des deux États. Sur place, les habitants ne le réclamaient pas. Il est vrai que le fleuve n’a jamais été considéré comme une frontière. On le franchit quotidiennement dans les deux sens sur des pirogues. Dans le flux venant du Brésil, se mêlent migrants illégaux et orpailleurs clandestins. Et, pour les originaires de Saint-Georges, il est tentant d’aller en face, au-delà de l’imposant cours d’eau, pour faire son marché, voire pour se loger, en raison de prix plus bas.

Scepticisme des Français

« Cette habitude de recourir aux esquifs ne devrait pas changer de sitôt, tant elle fait partie des habitudes », estime Jacques, un métropolitain retiré depuis des années en ces terres. Il aurait pu ajouter que voguer (cela prend une vingtaine de minutes) de Saint-Georges à Oiapoque, ville brésilienne de l’autre rive, dans l’État de l’Amapá, a un charme fou. De part et d’autre, se dressent des falaises d’arbres géants pleines d’animaux tropicaux. « Le pont est une injure à cette nature », se plaignent inévitablement les rares écologistes de l’endroit.

Du côté français, le scepticisme quant à l’utilité de l’ouvrage existe depuis le début parmi les habitants. Comme si les conséquences économiques à attendre d’une circulation des personnes et des biens ne pouvaient qu’être défavorables à la Guyane. En fait, les conditions du trafic ne sont pas encore complètement déterminées.

La facilité de passage se trouve au centre de deux ultimes conventions discutées entre les deux pays. Concernant les personnes, il est question d’assouplir les règles pour les Brésiliens, qui ne peuvent aujourd’hui entrer légalement en Guyane que s’ils sont munis d’un visa, alors que tout Français entrant au Brésil par la Guyane doit seulement faire viser son passeport à la police en arrivant sur place. Une carte de libre circulation pour les frontaliers brésiliens et français est envisagée.

La peur de l’immigration irrégulière

Les conditions du transport de marchandises devront également être aménagées : les camions brésiliens ne répondant pas aux normes de sécurité européennes, une plate-forme de transit avec transfert des cargaisons à des camions français serait créée près du pont. La mise au point de ces réglementations pourrait retarder l’inauguration. « La Guyane n’a rien à exporter, à la différence du Brésil », complète la restauratrice Modestine.

Ce que d’autres Guyanais, en conformité avec ce constat qui se veut réaliste, traduisent souvent par : « Le Brésil est un vaste pays émergent avec une population importante et un fort dynamisme dans bien des secteurs, à commencer par celui de l’agriculture… » En présence de 193 millions d’habitants (670 000 pour l’État de l’Amapá), que peuvent en effet peser les 250 000 habitants de Guyane et une économie sous perfusion ? Avec la construction de l’ouvrage, la perspective de voir l’immigration irrégulière s’accroître provoque, en outre, un débat en Guyane.

Promouvoir les produits français

Cependant, comme s’ils avaient joué jusqu’à présent à se faire beaucoup peur, les habitants de Saint-Georges-de-l’Oyapock osent rêver un peu, alors que l’ouverture du pont se rapproche. Fabienne Mathurin-Brouard, maire de la bourgade et membre de « Guyane 73 » (parti fondé par l’ancien socialiste Rodolphe Alexandre, président du conseil régional), y est pour quelque chose. Ancien agent de développement local et mère de quatre garçons, cette créole de 37 ans se bat depuis son élection en 2008 pour « la création d’une zone franche du côté français du pont ».

Selon elle, cela permettrait de promouvoir des produits français, voire européens : gastronomie, parfumerie, haute technologie… « Les Brésiliens sont demandeurs », jure-t-elle. Appuyé par la Chambre de commerce et d’industrie de la Guyane, un projet de zone franche a été mis à l’étude. « Il faut être audacieux », insiste l’élue. Et, en écho, Modestine ne voit finalement qu’une issue : « Se prendre en main ! »

http://www.la-croix.com/Actualite/S-...-07-06-686301#
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