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Old September 17th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #1681
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Oh yeah. But they compensate by leaving their indicators on when they're passing on motorways.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #1682
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I'm quite surprised that the general feeling south of Germarny is that driving with headlights on is a nuisance, blinding and a waste of fuel. There's a difference between driving with the low beam on and the high beam. The low beam doesn't blind, or else it would be even more blinding at night. The main reason northern countries have legislation requiring headlights 24/7 is traffic safety. It's MUCH easier to spot a vehicle with headlights even during daytime, no matter the weather conditions. It has surely saved many lives, and the saved amount of energy has surely eclipsed the amount it takes to keep the lights on.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 02:29 AM   #1683
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slo is south of germany
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Old September 18th, 2011, 05:22 AM   #1684
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And in Italy headlights are compulary on motorways.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 12:09 PM   #1685
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The problem with lights on during the day (ignoring fog/rain conditions when you actually do need them) isn't fuel usage, but the increased danger for more venerable road users that that brings.
On the contrary, headlights on help to signal the presence of a car for pedestrians, for instance.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 05:45 PM   #1686
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And there are times that it's helpful to be able to tell the difference between, say, a parked car and one that's waiting to make a turn. (I'm visualizing one particular intersection in my home town where parking spaces along the side of the road morph into a short turn lane. There are times you can't tell, if you're facing the spot I have in mind and intending to turn left, whether that car facing you is parked in the first of those spaces or planning to turn right. Granted, he ought to be signaling (if he's indeed turning), but not everyone does that, so the absence of a signal tells you nothing. Running lights, as Canada requires and many cars sold in the US now have, at least help you tell the difference between a car that is, or may be, moving and one that's off.
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Old September 19th, 2011, 12:04 AM   #1687
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lots of very conservative cultures on this forum - Dutch, German ...

waste your petrol but don't ask others to waste theirs ! Anyway, consider this, I regularly take my time when I have some headlightfreak behind me who thinks he rules the road and blinds others; so keep driving with the lights on just don't be surprised when you cross people like me
Dutchs conservative? And what does conservativeness have to do with this headlights issue? How do you manage to drive at night if headlights blind you even during the day?
Btw I'm French.
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 10:32 PM   #1688
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the entrance to a 1+1 highway in southern France
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Old September 24th, 2011, 09:05 AM   #1689
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I think, instead of these three signs there should be only "Motorway" sign
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Old September 24th, 2011, 10:27 AM   #1690
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I think, instead of these three signs there should be only "Motorway" sign
It is a full motorway (autoroute)? If it's 1+1, then I don't think it can be a motorway. It seems to be a limited access road.
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Old September 24th, 2011, 10:41 PM   #1691
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Old October 4th, 2011, 02:38 PM   #1692
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Happy birthday France!

Today it's exactly 70 years ago the first Autoroute of the nation opened; A13 between Vaucresson and Orgeval in Greater Paris.

Although it was a major milestone, construction of the French Autoroute network didn't began to pick up until 20 years later, starting around 1960. The network exceeded 1000 kilometers around 1968 and 2000 kilometers around 1973. 5000 kilometers were clinched around 1983 and 9000 kilometers in 2004.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 03:03 PM   #1693
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During the war?
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Yes, and that's not really uncommon. The Germans continued or even initiated projects in the occupied countries. This happened also in the Netherlands and Denmark, not sure about Belgium. Most works were ceased in 1942 due to the course of the war.
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Old October 4th, 2011, 04:52 PM   #1695
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the entrance to a 1+1 highway in southern France
Interesting, where is this highway located ?
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Old October 4th, 2011, 05:08 PM   #1696
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Yes, and that's not really uncommon. The Germans continued or even initiated projects in the occupied countries. This happened also in the Netherlands and Denmark, not sure about Belgium. Most works were ceased in 1942 due to the course of the war.
Open to the public, or for military use? How many French civilians owned cars in 1939 anyway?

My mother, who was 12 when the war ended, remembers gas being rationed and new cars not being made so the factories and materials could be devoted to tanks and jeeps and so on, so people didn't travel much. And that's over here.

I knew construction on what is now the A13 had started before the war, but I assumed it was interrupted. I thought I saw something somewhere about the Saint-Cloud tunnel being used to store weapons and such....
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How many French civilians owned cars in 1939 anyway?
As a percentage probably not very much, likely similar to the United States at that time. However, Île-de-France already had 6.8 million people in 1936, which means traffic demand was probably high.
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The network exceeded 1000 kilometers around 1968 and 2000 kilometers around 1973. 5000 kilometers were clinched around 1983 and 9000 kilometers in 2004.
How many kilometers today? The French wikipedia reads 11,100 kilometers. The English wikipedia reads 12,000 kilometers.
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Those numbers are overstated. The Autoroute network totals approximately 9.800 kilometers. An additional 3.500 kilometers are Voie Expresses which are motorway-like.

This is more reliable: http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Evoluti...ran%C3%A7aises
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Only 800 kilometers in the last seven years? It's not as though there was a great boom in building the LGV network, airports, or any other national transportation infrastructure during that time.
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