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Old October 4th, 2011, 11:19 PM   #1701
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Actually the motorway development progress is currently near zero. The only significant construction site is A89 between Balbigny and Lyon. And they are realigning N10 to Autoroute standards (it will become A63) south of Bordeaux. And a plan was recently approved for a second A9 around Montpellier.

There are still some Voie Expresse projects scattered across the country though.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 12:05 AM   #1702
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Actually the motorway development progress is currently near zero. The only significant construction site is A89 between Balbigny and Lyon. And they are realigning N10 to Autoroute standards (it will become A63) south of Bordeaux. And a plan was recently approved for a second A9 around Montpellier.

There are still some Voie Expresse projects scattered across the country though.
I thought there was some work on the A68 between Albi and Rodez. Or is that N88?
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Old October 5th, 2011, 01:40 AM   #1703
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I thought there are a few schemes that are progressing, then again they may have had their déclaration d'utilité publique and nothing further (eg, most recently, the A719 extension).

WikiSara lists these as under construction (excluding upgrades of existing roads, which are a separate list on the same page):
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A63 : Mise à 2x3 voies avec mise aux normes autoroutières de la RN10 sur 104 kilomètres d'ici fin 2014 avec mise en concession et à péage. Début des travaux le 26/09/2011.
A89 : Construction de l'avant dernière section (payante) entre Balbigny et La Tour-de-Salvagny (RN7). Mise en service prévue pour 2012.
A304 : Projet de branche Ouest (de Charleville-Mézières à Gué d'Hossus) de l'A34 afin de relier rapidement la Belgique (en direction de Charleroi et Bruxelles) à tout l'Est de la France. Mise en service en 2016.
A507 : 2ème rocade de Marseille, construction en cours de la section Est, entre Frais-Vallon (S8) et Florian (A50). Ouverture prévue en 2013.
A813 : Nouveau contournement Sud-Est de Caen.
And, while I can't ascertain the status of the upgrades of VEs to autoroute, there's the gap plugging on the A34, A35 and A63, extensions of the A13 (Cherbourg), A30 (Belgium) A34 (Belgium), A77 (Roanne), A81 (Brest), A82 (Brest), A84 (Nantes) and A88 (Caen) and the creation of the A260 (St Omer - Boulogne) and A810 (Niort - La Rochelle) all listed on WikiSara.

France seems to have a lot going on. But maybe that's because I'm English and all we have is a shortish upgrade of some of the A1 to A1(M) and some widening projects.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 10:42 AM   #1704
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N10 south of Bordeaux is already a 2x2 motorway-like road. They are widening it to 2x3 lanes, so it will be upgraded to A63. A large amount of autoroutes could be added by changing the status of the voie expresses in Bretagne. This could easily add another 800 kilometers of A-roads.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 10:57 AM   #1705
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What are the specific requirements in France that an A road must meet but which are not required for an N road?
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Old October 5th, 2011, 11:08 AM   #1706
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I don't know the exact requirements, however it doesn't appear to be tolls, alignment or exit density, as there are autoroutes in urban areas which have an alignment that is worse than that of voie expresses in rural areas. One could argument for a network, though the voie expresses in Bretagne do form a network akin to autoroutes elsewhere in France. I suppose it could depend on whether it's state-owned or owned by a toll road operator, although there are many toll-free (state-owned) autoroutes as well. So who knows?....
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Old October 5th, 2011, 11:14 AM   #1707
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It is just that France has nearly achieved its motorway system grid. No need to build further motorways. Some of them are (an will be) broadened, some interchanges are re-organized but no real big projects anymore. Besides there is a big opposition to new roads in many regions. And new motroways are costly and the gvt just lacks money. For instance the A 104 (Paris outer ring road) completion, west of Paris may never be achieved..
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Old October 5th, 2011, 11:19 AM   #1708
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Cost doesn't seem to be the issue as most remaining east-west links appear to be built as toll-free voie expresses and not tolled autoroutes.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 11:53 AM   #1709
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the gvt just lacks money.
The French government takes about 800,000,000,000 euro out of the economy each year and produces rather little to show for it.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:07 PM   #1710
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Are they serious??
They propose to prohibit hands free kits when driving.

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/soc...t_1037840.html
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Old October 7th, 2011, 08:43 AM   #1711
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Only 800 kilometers in the last seven years? It's not as though there was a great boom in building the LGV network, airports, or any other national transportation infrastructure during that time.
Well the main autoroute network is mature and fairly complete, with fairly few links left to be built (the only one with real intercity significance is IIRC a missing segment across the heart of the Massif Central). When there's very little to build, very little's gonna get built.

OTOH the French motorway network would greatly benefit from a renumbering scheme, especially since there's a 3x3 core grid traversing the whole country. As it stands now, the French motorway numbering is rather...uhhh...arbitrary?
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Old October 7th, 2011, 09:21 AM   #1712
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Well the main autoroute network is mature and fairly complete, with fairly few links left to be built (the only one with real intercity significance is IIRC a missing segment across the heart of the Massif Central). When there's very little to build, very little's gonna get built.
I agree with you that the lack of a reasonable connection between Toulouse and Lyon is a significant deficiency.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 11:38 PM   #1713
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Okay, I was just playing with Google Images (for the Paris Périphérique) and happened on this:

http://www.la-vasconia.com/english/acces.html

Now, I know nothing about this hotel, but look at the maps. They seem to show a connector between the A86 near Nanterre and the A12, thus bypassing the A13 if you're trying to get from one to the other. Interesting idea. The maps on the hotel's site look like they're from Google Maps, but when I actually go to Google Maps, I don't see the connector. Anyone know anything?
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 11:54 PM   #1714
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It's the A112, and maybe someone put it up there and showed some old news article that said it should be built by now, and then google realised it wasn't actually there.
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 07:41 PM   #1715
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Sunday 2 weeks ago, I started a short trip to Montpellier without paying any péage. My travel time from the german border near Mulhouse was around 10 hours by starting at midnight, some breaks included. The first part before Lyon at the N83 was ok, the N7 after Vienne is though. My record from 2009 is around 4 hours by ignoring the speedlimit.

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The way back over the A75 also lasted 10 hours.
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 08:21 PM   #1716
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Your link doesn't work.
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Old October 24th, 2011, 02:59 PM   #1717
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president of Ile de France was caught speeding 171 km/h on A13. (parti socialiste)

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Old October 24th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #1718
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president of Ile de France was caught speeding 171 km/h on A13. (parti socialiste)
It's newsworthy that the police didn't let him go free (or give him an escort).
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Old October 24th, 2011, 05:11 PM   #1719
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this shouldn't be a question in a country like France.
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this shouldn't be a question in a country like France.
It shouldn't be a question anywhere. Unfortunately, it is a question nearly everywhere.
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