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Old November 13th, 2011, 05:48 PM   #1741
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It's maps being lame. then again, this is the only sign that's explicit. Either way, there's blue signs saying Angers/Samur and A10 Tours throughout.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 09:00 PM   #1742
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Bielsa-Aragnouet tunnel will be opened tomorrow December 1st.

I think it is the third time they close the tunnel for several months on autum and they just can make a short part of refurbishment.

It will be opened one way only



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Old January 3rd, 2012, 10:26 PM   #1743
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 10:35 PM   #1744
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Old January 4th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #1745
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Careful when coming here guys ! More radars , higher fines.

Some fines increase from 35 EUR to ... 135 EUR, and some others (like driving on the emergency lane) from 135 EUR to around 1500 EUR !

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PARIS (AFP) - Téléphoner au volant, utiliser un détecteur de radars, regarder un film en conduisant vont dorénavant coûter cher en amendes et en points du permis de conduire, selon un décret paru mercredi que les associations d'usagers de la route critiquent durement.

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Plusieurs mesures du décret paru mercredi au Journal officiel concernent la vigilance au volant. Téléphoner appareil en main en conduisant sera puni de 135 euros d'amende et du retrait de 3 points du permis (contre 35 euros d'amende et deux points auparavant).

Mais le kit mains-libres reste autorisé, au grand dam de la Ligue contre la violence routière (LCVR), qui rappelle que les risques sont les mêmes.

Un conducteur ayant dans son champ de vision un écran autre que le GPS - télévision allumée, console de jeux vidéo ou smartphone utilisé pour lire une vidéo, comme c'est parfois le cas de certains routiers - écopera d'une amende de 1.500 euros (contre 135 précédemment) et d'un retrait de trois points au lieu de deux. La gendarmerie relève près de 300 infractions de ce type par an.

Concernant la vitesse, la détention, le transport et l'usage des avertisseurs de radars sont interdits. En cas de non respect, il pourra en coûter 1.500 euros, le retrait de six points et la saisie de l'appareil.

Grâce à des mises à jour des logiciels, les avertisseurs deviendront des "assistants d'aide à la conduite" signalant les zones dangereuses, où peuvent se trouver des radars fixes mais pas forcément. L'Intérieur fournira courant janvier une carte de ces zones dangereuses aux fabricants.

Sur autoroute, l’amende sanctionnant la circulation sur la bande d’arrêt d’urgence ou son franchissement passe de 35 à 135 euros. Les sociétés d'autoroute ont financé plusieurs campagnes sur ce thème pour lutter contre les accidents touchant leur personnel.

Tout conducteur d’un véhicule obligatoirement équipé d’un éthylotest antidémarrage (condamnés, chauffeurs d'autocars récents...) doit utiliser ce dispositif préalablement au démarrage. Ne pas le faire (en neutralisant l'éthylotest ou en faisant souffler un tiers) coûtera 135 euros - pour le chauffeur comme pour le complice.

Pour les motards (machines de plus de 125 cm3), le port d'un équipement rétroréfléchissant d'au moins 150 cm2 sera obligatoire en 2013, sous peine d'une amende de 68 euros et du retrait de 2 points. Une décision "stupide et à nouveau bricolée dans la précipitation", a dénoncé la Fédération française des motards en colère (FFMC).

A partir du 1er juillet, la taille des plaques d'immatriculation des deux-roues augmentera. Seuls les véhicules neufs ou les réimmatriculations sont concernés, le décret n'impose pas le changement des plaques existantes. L'usage de plaques non conformes coûtera alors 135 euros d'amende, contre 68 auparavant.

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[email protected] about new radars on undercover police cars

. No more pleasure driving here ... I wonder what Road_UK will say about it. Personally, this makes me
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Old January 5th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #1746
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. No more pleasure driving here ... I wonder what Road_UK will say about it. Personally, this makes me [/QUOTE]

yeah, you're right : the pleasure to drive while watching a movie or while being in a phone-call and bang : oh sorry i ran away a motorcycle and guess what the guy is dead! No more pleasure driving yeah, that's the point, that's exactly the point.

You can go to North Korea or Turkmenistant if you want. There you will be free to phone and watch a movie while driving
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Old January 5th, 2012, 04:01 PM   #1747
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nokia maps which I use for gps, has radar warnings, and not only dangerous zones. so that it's forbidden now??
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #1748
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yeah, you're right : the pleasure to drive while watching a movie or while being in a phone-call and bang : oh sorry i ran away a motorcycle and guess what the guy is dead! No more pleasure driving yeah, that's the point, that's exactly the point.

You can go to North Korea or Turkmenistant if you want. There you will be free to phone and watch a movie while driving
Maybe I'll go there one day to visit

Moreover, I wasn't talking about what you mentioned above when talking about the pleasure of driving. I'm not the kind of guy that watches movies or talks on the phone while driving (unless I've got a hands-free kit, which is currently not the case).

I was talking about the fact that instead of being concentrated on the road & its surroundings, you'll be concentrated only on your speedometer, not to cross 5 km/h over the speed limit ... If you love driving like that, then come here !

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nokia maps which I use for gps, has radar warnings, and not only dangerous zones. so that it's forbidden now??
Yes The policemen don't have the right to tell you to show them what you have on your map as long as you didn't commit any crime according to the French law. But if they drive beside you (most of the time on civil motorbikes) and see you're using anti-radar stuff, you'll get the fine Politicians are getting completely crazy as this was the last thing that kept people awake & at least a bit concentrated on the road until now ...
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Old January 6th, 2012, 05:06 AM   #1749
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. No more pleasure driving here ... I wonder what Road_UK will say about it. Personally, this makes me
yeah, you're right : the pleasure to drive while watching a movie or while being in a phone-call and bang : oh sorry i ran away a motorcycle and guess what the guy is dead! No more pleasure driving yeah, that's the point, that's exactly the point.

You can go to North Korea or Turkmenistant if you want. There you will be free to phone and watch a movie while driving [/QUOTE]

I usually stick between 130 and 140 in France anyway. Never ever got a speeding fine there. The only problems I'm having there is French customs wasting my time at toll booths and Channel ports. The French used to be maniacs, these days they're not. Chirac's war on dangerous driving has worked. Italy will be next.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 07:01 AM   #1750
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In my opinion, the situation in which drivers pay attention to the road and other drivers, pedestrians, etc. in the absence of police is much safer than the situation in which drivers are so fearful of the police that their concentration is focused on the speedometer and looking out for police, oblivious to other ordinary drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc.

I do think watching movies, smoking, holding a telephone in one's hand, etc., while driving should be illegal, but that doesn't mean there should be police everywhere.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #1751
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The 4 kilometer A813 near Caen opens to traffic today.

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Old January 6th, 2012, 03:02 PM   #1752
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Chirac's war on dangerous driving has worked. Italy will be next.
Police patrols have no money to buy fuel for their vehicles. And even if they had money, I don't think such a war could be won in Italy.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #1753
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In my opinion, the situation in which drivers pay attention to the road and other drivers, pedestrians, etc. in the absence of police is much safer than the situation in which drivers are so fearful of the police that their concentration is focused on the speedometer and looking out for police, oblivious to other ordinary drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc.

I do think watching movies, smoking, holding a telephone in one's hand, etc., while driving should be illegal, but that doesn't mean there should be police everywhere.
thanks for sharing your joke ; it is indeed worldwide scientifically proven that lax traffic laws enforcement leads to very few highway fatalities.

it's funny how guys who manage to keep a constant speed of so 200 km/h or any speed they do want to drive are the same who cry and yell because it's soooooooooooo difficult to keep a constant speed when this speed is a speed limit. There's something that magically makes their foot going up or down in the gas pedal when they try to follow a speed limit.

Besides speeders have very special cars : in their cars the speedometer is not located as mine for instance. You know, my speedometer is located just in front of me and just below the front window so that i'm able to check my speed and at the same time notice what's going on around. Whereas in speeders cars the speedometer is located behind them or very close to pedals so that those poor guys come to an accident each time they check their speeds.

conclusion :

-for the first problem, if you can't manage to keep a constant speed at the speed limit level, well : practice! It's easy, you can do that! C'mon, Yes you can! piece of advice : i'm sure you manage to do so when you're speeding, so i give you my secret : it's the same when you decide to follow the speed limit!!! woo-ooo!! If you don't manage to keep your speed at the speed limit, You should urgently check for a premature parkinson desease. Scientists call it the parkibson-speed-limit desease.
-for the second problem, you should buy another car : you know, the cars with the speedometers correctly located are the ones for you!

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Old January 7th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #1754
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Police patrols have no money to buy fuel for their vehicles. And even if they had money, I don't think such a war could be won in Italy.
It's going in the right direction though. I feel more comfortable on the A1 between Florence and Naples now, then I did five years ago.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #1755
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@other users - sorry for this long post. I'll try to be shorter next time

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thanks for sharing your joke ; it is indeed worldwide scientifically proven that lax traffic laws enforcement leads to very few highway fatalities.
These are no jokes. We're talking about road fatalities & regular people's money. Stating people having a different opinion than you are joking is just ridiculous. I should return you your own previous statement: "go to North Korea" & you'll remember what democracy is !

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I agree fully with mcarling. & this is even more true for new drivers. For instance, my little sister is so afraid of going over the speed limit she watches her speedometer too much & sometimes, she can't manage to keep it straight. Imagine how it can be in a couple of months.

@Road_UK: this war made fatalities decrease a lot in France over the past years EXCEPT on motorways (more & more people getting asleep). I'm not saying there should be no radars at all. I'm just saying this is the point where putting such a system can do more harm than good.

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it's funny how guys who manage to keep a constant speed of so 200 km/h or any speed they do want to drive are the same who cry and yell because it's soooooooooooo difficult to keep a constant speed when this speed is a speed limit. There's something that magically makes their foot going up or down in the gas pedal when they try to follow a speed limit.
Because of one, very simple reason: on motorways, there are:
- no pedestrian crossings,
- no collision-intersections
& if every parameter of what should be a motorway is met:
- a large hard shoulder,
- no harsh curve &
6no risk of collision with big animals.

All this makes such a journey already monotonous. Moreover, in general, when you drive fast on motorways, you don't keep at constant speed because you're fully concentrated on the road & reacting much more promptly to anything that happens on it. Also anticipating much more.

If you drive a Chevrolet Matiz 0.8i 54bhp at 130km/h, you'll feel it is dangerous as it hardly has stability at such speeds, bad brakes & the engine's rpm are quite high, so you won't get asleep for sure. Even driving 110 km/h you'll be fine. & I'd even add: more secure !

But if you drive a Saab 9-5 estate 2.3t 185bhp or - even better - an old Saab 9000 2.3 turbo 200bhp, the rpm are much lower which makes the car much less noisy. The stability is much better & the brakes too. With such a car, you can get asleep very easily at such speeds ! So where is the security ? Nowhere IMHO !

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Besides speeders have very special cars : in their cars the speedometer is not located as mine for instance. You know, my speedometer is located just in front of me and just below the front window so that i'm able to check my speed and at the same time notice what's going on around. Whereas in speeders cars the speedometer is located behind them or very close to pedals so that those poor guys come to an accident each time they check their speeds.
You seem to be a very young but quite frustrated guy. Some will be very curious to know which car you drive, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is: not only you hardly admit people have different opinions than yours, but also you close your eyes & mind to the fact that each car & each driver is completely different and has different driving skills.

Furthermore, such solutions as they're taking here in France may be O.K. for small surface countries with high population density like the Netherlands. But try to travel 900km within such a big country like France constantly watching your speedometer (which I already do). You'll feel even more tired than driving through Germany all the time fully concentrated @200 km/h or more.

& as some journalists stated here, even the UK is coming back from the "all-radar policy" because of it being - at this point - very costly & counter-productive (people watching the speedometer (should I say the speedomile ? ) instead of the road. So imagine what will be here, where speed cameras will not be shown anymore beforehand, lots of undercover police cars & a 5 km/h to 6% tolerance. Easy & nice, you say ? ... Please ! ...


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conclusion :

-for the first problem, if you can't manage to keep a constant speed at the speed limit level, well : practice! It's easy, you can do that! C'mon, Yes you can! piece of advice : i'm sure you manage to do so when you're speeding, so i give you my secret : it's the same when you decide to follow the speed limit!!! woo-ooo!! If you don't manage to keep your speed at the speed limit, You should urgently check for a premature parkinson desease. Scientists call it the parkibson-speed-limit desease.
Conclusion: remember I'm against high speed within built-up areas & out of motorways. But I'm also against bashing people for speed on motorways. Most of the speed war is on motorways in France just for money, because less than 3% of road fatalities here are on motorways.

Moreover, we're not like Germany where they have urban little dual carriageways with traffic lights every 2km limited to 70km/h. Here, the same ones are limited to 50 with ALWAYS some speed trap at the end. I've never seen any radar near a school here, whatsoever ...

I'm also pretty confident you're not the kind of guy who drives a lot.

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-for the second problem, you should buy another car : you know, the cars with the speedometers correctly located are the ones for you!

& stop using all the time, it looks ludicrous & discredits your statements, even if they may look good for someother SSC users. Even more than your cheap provocations above like talking about Parkinson disease or calling us speeders. If I'd be a speeder here, I'd have no more driver's license ...
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I speed sometimes. Don't you? And once in a while I have to pay a fine. So be it, it's on of these little things. I never exceed 40+ km/h though, as in most countries it means that licence will be lost. And I find the speed limit in France comfortable enough to stick with the limit, or go above no more then 10 km/h. Only the dual carriageways with 110 km limit I intend to go above a bit more then I should, but it never got me into trouble (yet) - and I did spend a lot of time driving in all corners of France, from Nantes to Nancy and Calais to Cannes over and over again.

It may get a bit boring at times, as you say - which could explain the efforts to place large brown signs everywhere, pointing the driver out to mountain peaks, vinyards, castles and historical events that has taken place where you are at that particular time.
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Some people are unable to think for themselves, so they like to be told at what speed to drive, by bureaucrats who have never seen the road, let alone have any idea of immediate road conditions, the vehicle, or the driver's skill level.
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Returning back from six months in Germany, the hardest for me is to stick to 90 km/h instead of 100 km/h on straight country roads. For motorways no problem, my car is too old to allow safe 130+ speeds. Overall speed limits do make more sense in Germany, but tbh I find Netherlands or the UK worse than France in this domain. The most annoying things to me are the roundabouts and speed bumps you find everywhere in this country "to break the speed".
Dunno your car Grobin but when driving a "normal car" I always put the speed limiter on in France. Heck, I even use the cruise control, something I wouldn't dare doing in Germany. With some music or good company the journey isn't really boring.
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If looking at the speedometer is stressing, get a car with cruise control and speed limiter Most Renaults and Peugeots, for instance, have both.
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