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Old July 2nd, 2012, 02:54 PM   #1841
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Slovenia, like Austria, Hungary and Switzerland are comparatively small.

In begger countries such as France or Italy, you either fix a hundred euro vignette for one week, either you don't cover your costs. It also discriminates those who drive a short stretch and those who drive all the way across the country.

Personally, I prefer the per-km toll. Also I don't like too much to stop at a rest area near the border to purchase the vignette.

My best choice would be a pan-european single radio device (similar to Italian Telepass, French Telepeage or the one used by trucks and busses in Austria) which could be used on all European motorways network paying per km toll or the vignette price when you cross the border.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 06:14 PM   #1842
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I didn't suggest France to introduce vignettes, but they clearly have a problem with traffic staying off motorways because of high tolls.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 06:18 PM   #1843
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I didn't suggest France to introduce vignettes, but they clearly have a problem with traffic staying off motorways because of high tolls.
My Italian friend drove all the way from Paris to München avoiding French motorways to save money... but he's something like Scrooge...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 06:20 PM   #1844
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A4 can easily be avoided via N4, which is a 2x2 voie expresse for quite some lengths. It's even shorter to Nancy and Strasbourg. According to Google Maps the difference is only 30 minutes on the 800 kilometer drive from Paris to München.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 06:22 PM   #1845
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A4 can easily be avoided via N4, which is a 2x2 voie expresse for quite some lengths. It's even shorter to Nancy and Strasbourg. According to Google Maps the difference is only 30 minutes on the 800 kilometer drive from Paris to München.
Yes, but at some point he texted me desperate, saying that his GPS went awry and he found himself in Luxembourg...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 06:26 PM   #1846
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Serves him right. I mean, you want to avoid tolls via a fairly straight on and simple route like N4, and you end up in Luxembourg, then you're definitely not paying attention. I can't really feel bad for people who follow their GPS's in the wrong direction, not just a few kilometers, but 50 km or 100 km or even more.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 07:35 PM   #1847
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If he filled up his car and bought a lot of cigarettes in Luxembourg, he may have saved himself a lot of money. From Metz to Luxembourg is really not that far...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 07:38 PM   #1848
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N4 > Luxembourg is over 100 kilometers at the shortest.

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Old July 2nd, 2012, 07:46 PM   #1849
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Serves him right. I mean, you want to avoid tolls via a fairly straight on and simple route like N4, and you end up in Luxembourg, then you're definitely not paying attention. I can't really feel bad for people who follow their GPS's in the wrong direction, not just a few kilometers, but 50 km or 100 km or even more.
I just limited myself and said to him: "You're mingy".

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If he filled up his car and bought a lot of cigarettes in Luxembourg, he may have saved himself a lot of money. From Metz to Luxembourg is really not that far...
He doesn't smoke...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 07:56 PM   #1850
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N4 > Luxembourg is over 100 kilometers at the shortest.
N4 Nancy to Thionville border 84 km AND no tolls on motorway. But the poor sod doesn't smoke...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:03 PM   #1851
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N4 Nancy to Thionville border 84 km AND no tolls on motorway. But the poor sod doesn't smoke...
You don't know my friend, so don't you f*king dare calling him sod.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:06 PM   #1852
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I was in Luxembourg on my way back from somewhere once, and I was in a tobacco warehouse to buy a load of cigarettes (as you do in Luxembourg) and I met to English guys who were flying back from Russia to the UK, and that had to change in Amsterdam, and they had so much spare time there, that they decided to hire a car and drive down to Luxembourg and back to buy cigarettes, before continuing their journey at Amsterdam.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:07 PM   #1853
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You don't know my friend, so don't you f*king dare calling him sod.
Poor sod is nothing insulting in UK slang...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:09 PM   #1854
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Poor sod is nothing insulting in UK slang...
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Sod in British English is a somewhat offensive, pejorative term for a person, derived from sodomite[1] but rarely nowadays used with this meaning. As an insult, it is generally teamed with 'off', i.e., 'sod off' meaning to get lost/go away/stop bothering me/**** off. It can generally be applied to refer to a person in a most basic sense and frequently preceded by a modifying adjective (“That crazy sod almost ran me over!”). It can be used as many different parts of speech – e.g. in the imperative mood, “Sod off, you slag!”; or in adjective form, “sodding bastard”. Such uses as “Sod it!” and “Sod this” are often exclamations of frustration.
I am sorry if that isn't right, but I always thought it was an insult, too.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:11 PM   #1855
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Nope. Wiki answered it for you, and in this case it means as much as poor guy.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:13 PM   #1856
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Then I apologize. Lost in translation...
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:19 PM   #1857
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Don't worry about it
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:20 PM   #1858
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Aw, isn't that nice!

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Old July 2nd, 2012, 08:38 PM   #1859
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@g.spionza
He had to follow Strasbourg at Nancy Ouest.

I think i was always a bit faster with the N4 and a speed of 140kmh at the 2x2-sections.
Paris has the best non-péage connection to southern Germany, Bordeaux with N10 is also pleasent like Perpignan via A75.

In general, i think that these toll roads are economical bullshit. Roads in good conditions are not used and a few constructors make a great deal.
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 09:12 PM   #1860
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I once drove from Nice to the Spanish border without paying a single cent of tolls, except for Prado-Carénage tunnel in Marseille. Wouldn't recommend it though. Took me 8 hours, and because the driver drove like in a Hollywood car chase. I was lucky to survive, although if it wasn't for him I'd still be driving down some road in Provence.

French motorways are usually very good, so paying a toll is totally worth it.
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