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Old July 10th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #1881
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In my opinion, upgrading the N88 to 2x2 is important. There is currently no reasonable route between Lyon and Toulouse. The N88 is too slow while the A9 to the south or the A89 to the north require about 100 km of extra driving.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #1882
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Are there currently any motorways or dual-carriageway roads being built in France?
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Old July 10th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #1883
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Yes, but not a lot. The most important project is the construction of the A89 Balbigny - Lyon. A section of A304 between Charleville-Mézières and the Belgian border is also under construction, as is the urban A507 in Marseille.

The new western bypass of Strasbourg was recently axed by the new socialist government. (A355).
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:00 PM   #1884
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A304? Is that the connector to the (future) Belgian E420 toward Charleroi?

For that matter, what's the state of the E420?
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #1885
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Yes, but not a lot. The most important project is the construction of the A89 Balbigny - Lyon. A section of A304 between Charleville-Mézières and the Belgian border is also under construction, as is the urban A507 in Marseille.

The new western bypass of Strasbourg was recently axed by the new socialist government. (A355).
Thanks. I see that the French consider their motorway network almost complete.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #1886
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Thanks. I see that the French consider their motorway network almost complete.
I do as well, I was just thinking that when you asked that question. Lots of new routes avoiding Paris, and new East-West motorways around Tours and Orleans, makes France a pretty good and reliable country for fast transportation.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 09:54 PM   #1887
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Just in the few years I've been paying attention - since 2005ish - lots of new roads and segments (A65, A88, part of the A19, parts of the A28 and A29... that's just off the top of my head) have appeared. What's still in the works, I don't know.

I recently came across some road maps from my first trip to France in 1985 and was surprised to see how sparse the network was then. In the U.S., by contrast, the Interstate system in 1985 was much closer to completion, if by "completion" we mean its current state. (Not that there haven't been improvements like widenings, but there aren't many completely new routes.)
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Old July 10th, 2012, 10:00 PM   #1888
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Old July 10th, 2012, 10:03 PM   #1889
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I recently came across some road maps from my first trip to France in 1985 and was surprised to see how sparse the network was then. In the U.S., by contrast, the Interstate system in 1985 was much closer to completion, if by "completion" we mean its current state. (Not that there haven't been improvements like widenings, but there aren't many completely new routes.)
Yes, the French network was developed later than most surrounding countries like Germany, Italy or the United Kingdom. Back in the 1970's there were only a few long-distance routes.

I made this network length graph a while ago. As you can see there has been substantial developments in recent years. The Autoroute network expanded by more than 50% since 1990.

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Old July 11th, 2012, 12:56 AM   #1890
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Are there currently any motorways or dual-carriageway roads being built in France?
Others that I know of are:
the N79, which being widened from 1x2 and 2+1 to 2x2, and
extension of the A77 to Moulins, along the route of the N7.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #1891
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Which was then the first motorway in France, as I see it dates to the 1940's?
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Old July 11th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #1892
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A13 Vaucresson - Orgeval: 17 kilometers, 04-10-1941.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #1893
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Other than the ongoing gradual extension of the A77 southward, what could reasonably be done to alleviate the summer holiday congestion?
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Old July 11th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #1894
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There were some ideas to construct a new motorway from Lyon to Montpellier (west of A7/A9) but it didn't gain traction apparently.

A7 could be widened to 2x5 lanes. It's the most frequently congested and busiest long-distance motorway in France. The most problematic sections to widen is around Vienne and in Valence.

France could also do with better open-road tolling, preferably license plate toll for incidental users.
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I don't think they can. The Spanish Costas is now better reachable since they have opened the Millau Bridge and they have now completed the missing link at Montellier. Widenings have now completed between Troyes and Lyon, but if the French decide to get into their cars all at once, then even God can't help them.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #1896
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A7 could be widened to 2x5 lanes. It's the most frequently congested and busiest long-distance motorway in France. The most problematic sections to widen is around Vienne and in Valence.
Further upgrading of the N88 to 2x2 should incrementally take some of the Lyon-Toulouse traffic off the A7. The N88 is about 60 kilometers shorter but currently takes about an hour longer due to a mixture of 1x2, 2+1, and 2x2 sections, as well as a mountainous route. When the N88 is 2x2 all the way between Lyon and Toulouse, I expect it will take virtually all the Lyon-Toulouse traffic off the A7/A9/A61.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #1897
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I think the bulk of the holiday peak traffic on A7 does not go towards Toulouse. While it would make sense to construct a Toulouse - Lyon motorway, I doubt whether it will significantly relieve A7.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #1898
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I think the bulk of the holiday peak traffic on A7 does not go towards Toulouse.
I'm sure that's correct.

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While it would make sense to construct a Toulouse - Lyon motorway, I doubt whether it will significantly relieve A7.
It's my sense that most of the Toulouse - Lyon traffic uses the A7/A9/A61. I don't have a good sense of the AADT for Toulouse - Lyon traffic, but I imagine that it's significant.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #1899
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I don't think they can. The Spanish Costas is now better reachable since they have opened the Millau Bridge and they have now completed the missing link at Montellier. Widenings have now completed between Troyes and Lyon, but if the French decide to get into their cars all at once, then even God can't help them.
That's my impression....
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Old July 12th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #1900
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I do as well, I was just thinking that when you asked that question. Lots of new routes avoiding Paris, and new East-West motorways around Tours and Orleans, makes France a pretty good and reliable country for fast transportation.
I never understood why so many people go on holiday all in the same time. Everything must be mighty busy, prices are high etc. For me it would be hell not a holiday.
Why not spread holidays over longer season? It's not like summer in the Mediterranean last only few weeks
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