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Old July 12th, 2012, 01:07 PM   #1901
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Old July 12th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #1902
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A main problem is that most accommodations can only be booked from Saturday to Saturday during the summer.
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Old July 15th, 2012, 12:54 AM   #1903
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I do as well, I was just thinking that when you asked that question. Lots of new routes avoiding Paris, and new East-West motorways around Tours and Orleans, makes France a pretty good and reliable country for fast transportation.
I think we miss some stretches of expressways.
Like the RN 88 between Albi and St Etienne.
more N 79 and N 70 between Montluçon and Macon / Chalon sur saone.
N 7 between Nevers and Lyon.
N147-D347 between Angers and Limoges.
Section Angers-Rennes, Tours -Chartres (RN 10)
RN4 Paris-St Dizier, RN 2 Paris- belgian border.
And many others improper with the current traffic.
Here Dax-Toulouse, Agen-Tarbes in the SW.
And some highways impossible to finish due of policies problems and environment .I think about Gap-Grenoble in the South East, big bypass of Bordeaux, Tours, Toulouse, western Lyon and Paris, Rouen, Strasbourg, etc....
About our job Road_UK, you are lucky when you can take toll highways.
But with our prices, it's more and more difficult.
For example, the new A65 Pau-Langon (Bordeaux) costs around 0.14 €/km for a car.
Add 30 % for a van. Amazing. It represents 35 % of the price a messenger or a customer pays me between these cities.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #1904
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I never understood why so many people go on holiday all in the same time. Everything must be mighty busy, prices are high etc. For me it would be hell not a holiday.
Why not spread holidays over longer season? It's not like summer in the Mediterranean last only few weeks
I think so too, but I don't have any school age kids. Those who do have to take a vacation at that time...

Earlier this year I drove on the coastal road all the way from Genova to Cassis and the coastline is really beautiful, but I'd never attempt something like that in July. Even in May parking was often very problematic, particularly in Italy.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:18 PM   #1905
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The widening of the N10 is progressing on schedule. There are already 30 km of third lane built and 150 km of hard shoulders widened.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #1906
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will it become A63?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #1907
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Yep, and a toll road:

"A63 : Mise à 2x3 voies avec mise aux normes autoroutières de la RN10 sur 104 kilomètres d'ici fin 2014 avec mise en concession et à péage. Début des travaux le 26/09/2011."

http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Liste_d..._fran%C3%A7ais
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Old July 18th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #1908
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Yep, and a toll road:

"A63 : Mise à 2x3 voies avec mise aux normes autoroutières de la RN10 sur 104 kilomètres d'ici fin 2014 avec mise en concession et à péage. Début des travaux le 26/09/2011."

http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Liste_d..._fran%C3%A7ais
And 6 tolls roads in less than 150 km between San Sebastian and Bordeaux .
A record certainly.
About records , here is a link about prices on french highways.
Edifying.
Sorry, it's in french but prices are international.

http://www.linternaute.com/auto/maga...res-de-france/
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Old July 18th, 2012, 01:29 PM   #1909
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A main problem is that most accommodations can only be booked from Saturday to Saturday during the summer.
Right but full congestion happens only a few days by year. Widening A7 motorway to 2x5 lanes, or 2 x (3+2) lanes, is a nonsense for so few time.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 01:56 PM   #1910
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It's true that the average volumes do not warrant 2x5 lanes. However, if you're paying a premium, you should also expect a better service than 2 - 3 hours delay.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #1911
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I still think the French are giving a better service on their toll roads then the Italians. Although cheaper, you still get to pay for being stuck in traffic for hours at Milan, Florence and Bologna. At least in France you only pay where congestions are highly unlikely outside Black Saturday's.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #1912
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Right but full congestion happens only a few days by year. Widening A7 motorway to 2x5 lanes, or 2 x (3+2) lanes, is a nonsense for so few time.
I'd rather see alternate routes (for example completion of the A51 and upgrading the N88 to 2x2) than 2x5 on the A7.
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Old July 19th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #1913
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Yep, and a toll road:

"A63 : Mise à 2x3 voies avec mise aux normes autoroutières de la RN10 sur 104 kilomètres d'ici fin 2014 avec mise en concession et à péage. Début des travaux le 26/09/2011."

http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Liste_d..._fran%C3%A7ais
I see there no good option to avoid the toll, only the northern part runs with an old part of the N10 (now D1010) http://goo.gl/maps/eBDd.

But the péage will be good placed with an open system.
http://www.sudouest.fr/2011/01/25/a6...99141-4778.php
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Old July 19th, 2012, 11:52 PM   #1914
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I still think the French are giving a better service on their toll roads then the Italians. Although cheaper, you still get to pay for being stuck in traffic for hours at Milan, Florence and Bologna.
At least Milan is free. And Bologna used to be much worse. But that's all compensated by the major pain in the rear called Florence.

To Italy's defence, it may be argued that its geology is tricky. Through its shape, the country inevitably relies on a few axes that connect the major cities. Its mountains often create difficult terrain in which bypasses are not always easy to realise. Florence needs maybe something like two ring roads, for regional and through traffic. Yet it is already difficult to create one in the mountainous area around town. In France, life is much easier as far as that is concerned. It has taken a while, but now the country is getting close to a decent grid.
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Old July 19th, 2012, 11:58 PM   #1915
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Milan is not free. The Tangenziale around Milan is all tolled. It causes a lot of congestion, particularly on the A4, the northern side.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #1916
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You are of course correct. The motorways around Milan feel like they are free, but in fact it's an open system so that you pay for the motorways as soon as you leave town. Of course, it is for free if you stay within town or turn off to non-motorways somewhere during the passage of Milan, but that's the way open systems operate.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:17 PM   #1917
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I apologize if this has been covered previously in this thread, but since I will be spending the next couple of weeks on the road in France I wanted to ask two questions.

There's been a number of articles in the papers here that France has, or is about to, introduce legislation making it obligatory to have a breathalyzer in the car when driving. Has this law come in to effect?

Someone also told me that it is against the law to have a GPS device with speed camera warnings and that you risk heavy fines even if the thing is turned off and stored in the trunk.

Maybe someone could shed some light on these two issues? Should I leave my GPS at home? Do I need to buy a breathalyzer?
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:55 PM   #1918
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I'm not French or anywhere near France, but I studied the language and try to keep up by staying on top of the news. I'm 90% certain the breathalyser law came into effect on July 1 - articles about it started appearing months ago and the first one I saw was on a Belgian paper's site, warning "if you're going to be driving in France this summer...."

Also, I was on the British Automobile Association's site a week or two ago looking at maps (the site's http://shop.theaa.com) and saw they were offering breathalysers in their continental driving kits. I don't know anything about GPS's, but somewhere on that site there was a handy chart of different countries' requirements.

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Old July 20th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #1919
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You won't be fined for not having a breathalyzer this summer. I'm going to France and I'm not going to buy one, I think it's a ridiculous law that makes all people suspect. I don't like the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude with this requirement.
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My gut reaction was, "what, the police don't have them?"
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