Your Sheffield Transport Solutions

[AndrewC]

Originally Posted by arepeejee

Nowt wrong with Scriven, he's done shedloads for this city since he was leader of the council.

Complete polarisation between him and bloody Jan "we dont need progress" Wilson .

Like I say, I don't necessarily disagree with his views nor dislike what he has done in the past, but as a man he annoys - the way comes across on television and in his promotional material.

[lewisskinner]

why not just use manned barriers, and escort people who need to cross the bridge over? they do in and Birmingham New Street constantly, and I regularly see manned barriers at both Sheffield and Chesterfield. You always need at least man per 'unmanned' barrier anyway to help with tickets that don't work, old-style tickets, people in wheelchairs or with buggies/large cases anyway!

[jozblade]

I suppose that would depend on the volume of people who use the bridge who aren't travelling by train. Would it be viable? I don't know.

[lewisskinner]

I've no idea how old this pamphlet is or how active the group are, but this seems like a wonder HS2 solution!

http://www.hacan.org.uk/resources/re...il.booklet.pdf

[Mr Brightside]

Originally Posted by lewisskinner

I've no idea how old this pamphlet is or how active the group are, but this seems like a wonder HS2 solution!

http://www.hacan.org.uk/resources/re...il.booklet.pdf

Yeah just read it myself, seems like a very well thought out plan.

[Bladerunner]

So who will pay for this new bridge? I can't see EMT forking out for it.

[arepeejee]

Taxpayers.

The bridge is already there btw - just needs refurbing. Its currently only used as a staff only bridge.

[lewisskinner]

With the Tories and Lib Dems in Coalition and both in favour of HSR, and Clegg being Deputy PM, what now for the chances of HSR hitting Sheffield?

[arepeejee]

Given the Transport Minister is Conservative - Nil.

The Tory plan for HSR is better (as its a case of starting at the north and south at the same time and meeting in the middle) but it doesnt pass through us.

The Lib Dem policy is re-opening lines.

The best thing that could happen would be a HS link over woodhead to Manchester.

[muddycoffee]

Originally Posted by arepeejee

Given the Transport Minister is Conservative - Nil.

The Tory plan for HSR is better (as its a case of starting at the north and south at the same time and meeting in the middle) but it doesnt pass through us.

The Lib Dem policy is re-opening lines.

The best thing that could happen would be a HS link over woodhead to Manchester.

before you lay into the tories too much, I can remember back when they last were in government, and they always had a minister for sheffield and he used to come a visit quite often and it seemed at the time a useful way of getting our oar in. I seem to remember one such minister was Michael Hesletine and he definitely had his uses as far as the city was concerned.

[soupçon]

...and as far as High Speed Railways were concerned.

[AdamBlade]

I for one will be sending a letter directly to Mr Clegg about the HSR coming to Sheffield.

[lewisskinner]

RPG, fact is that both parties are actively in favour of HSR in principle, and current proposals regarding routes can be altered. I'm sure Mr Clegg - a young MP, and only for the past five years remember - will see the benefit of a 75 minute journey to London which may come to fruition within his political lifetime.

[arepeejee]

I just can't see it happening. They were quite adamant about it beforehand, the not passing through the East Midlands bit.

Like I say, despite it not running through here I still think that plan was better than HS2 is (because HS2 only runs to Brum, it *may* reach here).

[kivo]

Work started on 'improving' the layout of the taxi rank outside Sheffield Station.

Short term parking has been relocated to the Qpark building or whatever it's called - first 30 minutes free.

Unsure on what the final layout will be, but signs are up saying work will last just three days, so expect nothing radical.

If only they could shift that bloody electric sub station on the Sheaf House site, they'd improve traffic flow in an instant.

Still, if they'd actually given more than five seconds thought to the access to the Station in the first place, I suppose that problem would have been redundant.

[AndrewC]

Well as stunning as Sheaf Square is I think there could be such as thing as 'too pedestrian friendly' or rather 'forgetting the needs of other station users'. The best solution is still, in my opinion, a thoroughfare system. Take Newcastle central - Its entrance foyer is dirty, car dominated, busy, fugly - but my golly does it get people shifted when it needs to. Taxis have a simple, 'drive-in, drive-out' system which doesn't involve tight turns and inadequate back streets and is right at the heart of the stations entrance, not hidden 200 yards down round the back.

Sheffield is a far better station than it used to be and has some nice features but I've always thought there were some fundemental problems with it. Its a town station trying to be a massive interchange.

[arepeejee]

They're getting rid of the 20min parking bays, turning that into a two way road so the taxis dont block people trying to get to the turnaround.

[kivo]

Work completed, and it's made it worse.

I kid you not, there are now two different u-turns for drop-offs but most people are still using just the one, so now there is a redundant bit of space.

Plus yesterday there were traffic wardens circling like vultures waiting for people to outstay the permitted 'drop-off' time limit.

Absolute joke.

[muddycoffee]

It is quite amusing to see what they are currently doing in woodseats to the roadway near the junction of Abbey Lane.

Several years ago they reduced the main road A61 ( chesterfield road / meadowhead ) to a single lane in each direction so that there would be permanent car parking spaces along the whole of woodseats. They put a completely stupid bus gate on Meadowhead which basically doesn't work properly and causes annoyance to bus drivers and other traffic.
This was an extremely expensive scheme which was supposed to increase the traffic flow through the district, but it has been surveyed and found recently that it has slowed traffic down.

What they are doing now is taking big bites out of the pavement so that they can remodel the Abbey Lane junction again. Now they are going to have a left turn lane so the traffic clears Abbey lane much faster.

Clearly despite all the arguments for and against, the previous road scheme didn't suceed. How did we get to a position where highway experts are allowed to spend millions of public money on an experiment restricting traffic flows only to be forced to reverse them.

Sheffield has a longstanding reputation from around the 1980s onward in trying to restrict traffic going into the town. Does anyone know if other cities do this too, in my experience other cities have retained wider roads. Maybe we should return to opening out roadways and removing all the bottlenecks and bollards to improve traffic flow instead.

[Steel City Suburb]

How hard is it to get this right?