Official Liverpool Thread

[cambrian]

Originally Posted by steve068

check this guy out!

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/labour...ool-is-ghastly

We'll get over it !

[Medici]

To be fair, he does say its personal preference and if he doesn't like Liverpool that is up to him and I don't care. What he say's about regenerating the docks at the expense of everything else isn't strictly true, but other areas of the centre do need regenerating, Moorfields in particular is an area that sounds like his hangover from WW2 bombdamage. The Adelphi is a very poor hotel indeed as well. Whilst massive progres has been made I do actually think there is a lot more that needs to be done, in my view we have a great centre but some of the worst inner cities in the country. Looking at the city thread, Glasgow has reinvented its inner city city in a way that Liverpool simply hasn't. Urgent work is needed in our inner cities which has been ignored for a generation

[MarineMan]

Originally Posted by Medici

To be fair, he does say its personal preference and if he doesn't like Liverpool that is up to him and I don't care. What he say's about regenerating the docks at the expense of everything else isn't strictly true, but other areas of the centre do need regenerating, Moorfields in particular is an area that sounds like his hangover from WW2 bombdamage. The Adelphi is a very poor hotel indeed as well. Whilst massive progres has been made I do actually think there is a lot more that needs to be done, in my view we have a great centre but some of the worst inner cities in the country. Looking at the city thread, Glasgow has reinvented its inner city city in a way that Liverpool simply hasn't. Urgent work is needed in our inner cities which has been ignored for a generation

The man is Londoner knobhead.

[Joe the red]

Originally Posted by Medici

To be fair, he does say its personal preference and if he doesn't like Liverpool that is up to him and I don't care. What he say's about regenerating the docks at the expense of everything else isn't strictly true, but other areas of the centre do need regenerating, Moorfields in particular is an area that sounds like his hangover from WW2 bombdamage. The Adelphi is a very poor hotel indeed as well. Whilst massive progres has been made I do actually think there is a lot more that needs to be done, in my view we have a great centre but some of the worst inner cities in the country. Looking at the city thread, Glasgow has reinvented its inner city city in a way that Liverpool simply hasn't. Urgent work is needed in our inner cities which has been ignored for a generation

What I found interesting was the reasoned defence of the city by locals, adopted sons and daughters and others of Liverpool. The line of questioning as to his lack of preparation as to his choice of hotel (unless it was deliberate to fuel his antipathy) and restaurant (there are dozens of local offerings and chains between ACC and Adelphi). Then, his paltry defence of his "findings" illustrated that he clearly looked no further than the end of his nose and wished to return armed with no more knowledge than he arrived with i.e. just enough to lampoon the City with stereotypical claptrap.

[Medici]

Originally Posted by Joe the red

What I found interesting was the reasoned defence of the city by locals, adopted sons and daughters and others of Liverpool. The line of questioning as to his lack of preparation as to his choice of hotel (unless it was deliberate to fuel his antipathy) and restaurant (there are dozens of local offerings and chains between ACC and Adelphi). Then, his paltry defence of his "findings" illustrated that he clearly looked no further than the end of his nose and wished to return armed with no more knowledge than he arrived with i.e. just enough to lampoon the City with stereotypical claptrap.

I am minded to agree, what gets me is that the article is dressed up as 'news' when its a personal prejudice. The sort of regional prejudice often on display from metropolitan commentators has been largely absent this week, but it was inevitable that it would raise its head in some quarters.

[albionfagan]

Can't be too thin skinned about things like this, he didn't like Liverpool from what he saw of it. Whether or not he saw enough to make an informed judgment is debatable but there will always be people who dislike a place, no matter where.

Sounds like he's got some outdated and stereotypical views of Liverpool as a place though, his good opinion shouldn't be courted.

[tomo90]

He is a dick considering his replies to people's comments. Nasty piece of work. He isnt obliged to like Liverpool but his comments just show that he is a ming.

[yoshef]

Who cares? He's just some pretentious no-mark trying to attract traffic to his crappy site.

[openlyJane]

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[buggedboy]

I'd certainly agree with the last bit. Londoners, with so many people around, crave personal space and spend most of their time in a bubble. No such thing here. If someone wants to talk to you they will. This is often a great thing but can occasionally be less so when you are lumbered with a crackpot.

I'd much rather it our way.

[tomo90]

I find it a shame hearing these stories. I thought it may open some southern politicians minds about the city.

[golden66]

The only good thing about having major political parties in Liverpool is that they bring money into the city and advertise our city to the national audiance.

Other than that their presence in the city is vile and they are a waste of space.

They are privileged ultra capitalist organisations who essentially only live for themselves and when not in their Westminster village are like fish out of water.

The average supporters of these parties must be nuts wasting their time with these masters of deception. Can't they work it out? or do they just feel great being told how to think and being cannon fodder to large organisations. It's now about 100 years of failure and they still don't get it!

Any problems in Liverpool, such as, economic decline, dereliction, population decline, poor media representation, lack of infrastructure or even a run down Adelphi, prolonged housing market renewal, prolonged Edge Lane corridor works etc. are nothing to do with the people of Liverpool but everything to do with these mad political parties and how they run the UK. People who attack Liverpool are really attacking all these political parties but are too thick to realise it.

[tomo90]

True!

[jets9]

What's really interesting for anyone with a political antenna is that some of these observations/prejudices/misapprehensions are being distilled in the Labour party.......repeat ... THE LABOUR PARTY....which has made a career out of bleeding its heart out over the entrails of the industrial working class, their neighbourhoods,towns and cities for more than a century.

Where do you start psychoanalysing the emotional train crash that is the Labour movement, full of angst for the marginalised, poor, unrepresented and unjustly treated while at the same time loathing, misunderstanding, condescending and deliberately not representing the interests of its core vote.

It's a bit like an organisation craving to go upmarket but with a publicity department determined never, ever to let the cat out of the bag. It's a nauseating spectacle.

[MarineMan]

Originally Posted by openlyJane

All hotel rooms in the city were booked up - and people were having to stay in Knowsley, Southport, The Wirral - and many in Manchester! ( there was a very vocal & present Manchester contingent there - with I Love Manchester T-shirts, and who cheered loudly when Alex Ferguson appeared with a message on screen).

It is a national conference. The more that do what Manchester did the better. It was incidental the event was in Liverpool - like London holding the FA Cup final.

I had heard one woman remonstrate that "she loves it", and that the "taxi drivers are great" - in response to a blase dismissal of the city by another. Some just didn't want to like the city.

When I hear southerners deride the city and then say they may visit one day, I always say "do not go as you will not like it". They have preconceived attitudes to the city and will only see negative aspects - as per the London knob who writes for the London Standard. These same people have selective amnesia about London, which has areas I would not send a dog in.

It is a shame a large cruise liner was not at the Pier Head.

[MarineMan]

Originally Posted by golden66

Any problems in Liverpool, such as, economic decline, dereliction, population decline, poor media representation, lack of infrastructure or even a run down Adelphi, prolonged housing market renewal, prolonged Edge Lane corridor works etc. are nothing to do with the people of Liverpool but everything to do with these mad political parties and how they run the UK.

Liverpool was crying out for more control of their own affairs. And that message was what labour were saying - more local control.

[golden66]

Labour have had long periods in power so where is this transfer of power to Liverpool? It will never happen so get this false hope out of your head.

[MarineMan]

Originally Posted by golden66

Labour have had long periods in power so where is this transfer of power to Liverpool? It will never happen so get this false hope out of your head.

What I wrote was clear:

"Liverpool was crying out for more control of their own affairs. And that message was what labour were saying - more local control."

That was what was being put across, not what I think was happening - fact.

You say it is lies, which is opinion.

[MarineMan]

Originally Posted by buggedboy

I'd certainly agree with the last bit. Londoners, with so many people around, crave personal space and spend most of their time in a bubble. No such thing here.

Liverpool's density is about the same as London, but the people do not act like them.

[ill tonkso]

Liverpools density is about a 5th of inner Londons density.

What annoys me about you is your constant bashing of Southerners because we apparantly have this bad preconception of the North, when in reality most people don't have that opinion. It is also very hypocritical as you then proceed to put down the south based on your own false conceps.