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Old July 1st, 2007, 02:28 PM   #21
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Excellent news indeed! Denmark is a country of bridges so I have been waiting for something huge like this. Anyone got a map of exactly where this bridge will be?
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Old July 1st, 2007, 03:23 PM   #22
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Ah, thanks! Changed the title too, I wondered a bit how Copenhagen would be connected to Germany but now it's correct.
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Old July 1st, 2007, 10:06 PM   #23
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Just because many Swedes travel Rödby-Puttgarden during the svennefamiljer-bilar-i-Europa season doesn't mean it is like that all year.
Eh no but it indeed affect the whole financing of the project! Typically high season is the most important season in any business isnt it? Where are you getting at exactly with the whole "svenne bilar i Europa" attitude btw?
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 01:50 AM   #24
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For me it seems like this will be a very important thing for Sweden too. I heard a long time ago that traveling from Växjö to Hamburg would take no more than 2 hours in the future. And now the future can become reality, great news! It's very important for the European integration!
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 09:47 AM   #25
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Eh no but it indeed affect the whole financing of the project! Typically high season is the most important season in any business isnt it?
Of course it is affecting the financial situation - as it should. The bridge isn't financed with taxes, it's financed by the people who will use it, including Swedes. That 50% of the passengers will be Swedes though is just silly.

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Nowhere, except for pointing out that the summer is the time when a significant amount of Swedish families on vacation will use the bridge. However, they will never make up anywhere near 50% of the total passenger amount on th Fehmarn Bridge

I have used the Rödby-Puttgarden ferries many times during summer season myself, for your information.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 10:02 AM   #26
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These news make me very happy!!! Is it a car- or train-bridge... or both?

Thanks Germany and Denmark!
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 10:08 AM   #27
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These new make me very happy!!! Is it a car- or train-bridge... or both?

Thanks Germany and Denmark!
It will be both for cars and trains (4 lane motorway and 2 tracks railway), and don't thank the Germans, it will be entirely built by Denmark, Germany have only allowed the bridge to hit German gorund, and promised to upgrade the railway on the german side 5 years AFTER the bridge is finnished. They won't even upgrade to road to motorway on the German side, so the first part after you come from the bridge will go from 4 lane motorway to 2 lane autostrasse (motortrafikvej) - what a welcome it will be to the home of the Autobahn...

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Old July 2nd, 2007, 10:13 AM   #28
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Of course it is affecting the financial situation - as it should. The bridge isn't financed with taxes, it's financed by the people who will use it, including Swedes. That 50% of the passengers will be Swedes though is just silly.


Nowhere, except for pointing out that the summer is the time when a significant amount of Swedish families on vacation will use the bridge. However, they will never make up anywhere near 50% of the total passenger amount on th Fehmarn Bridge

I have used the Rödby-Puttgarden ferries many times during summer season myself, for your information.
Belive it or not... but our trade minister said that more than 50 percent of the traffic over the bridge will have it's start or goal in Sweden. That doesn't necessary mean that they are swedish though... And just because our trade minister say this it hasn't to be true. Germany is however Swedens most important export market. More swedish trade go through Hamburgs harbour than Gothenburgs harbour. So others than tourists will use this bridge! Germanies intrest in this project seems be low cause they don't want to take any economical risks. buuuuh

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"Prognoser visar att över 50 procent av trafiken över bron kommer att ha sitt mål eller ursprung i Sverige", skriver handelsminister Sten Tolgfors i en kommentar."

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Old July 2nd, 2007, 10:17 AM   #29
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^But I have to say that this bridge, if you want it or not, really is a very very big economical risk. The price of this thing is bigger than Estonia's 1 year budget. I know Estonia is a small country but it still says a lot.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 08:04 PM   #30
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Of course it is affecting the financial situation - as it should. The bridge isn't financed with taxes, it's financed by the people who will use it, including Swedes. That 50% of the passengers will be Swedes though is just silly.


Nowhere, except for pointing out that the summer is the time when a significant amount of Swedish families on vacation will use the bridge. However, they will never make up anywhere near 50% of the total passenger amount on th Fehmarn Bridge

I have used the Rödby-Puttgarden ferries many times during summer season myself, for your information.
Hmm well i keep my eyes on you

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Belive it or not... but our trade minister said that more than 50 percent of the traffic over the bridge will have it's start or goal in Sweden. That doesn't necessary mean that they are swedish though... And just because our trade minister say this it hasn't to be true. Germany is however Swedens most important export market. More swedish trade go through Hamburgs harbour than Gothenburgs harbour. So others than tourists will use this bridge! Germanies intrest in this project seems be low cause they don't want to take any economical risks. buuuuh

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"Prognoser visar att över 50 procent av trafiken över bron kommer att ha sitt mål eller ursprung i Sverige", skriver handelsminister Sten Tolgfors i en kommentar."
Thats interesting i dont know if its true though, why wouldnt Swedens exports to Germany pass Gothenburg harbour if its goal is Hamburg harbour? Its much faster by cointainer ships then trucks, plus theres larger volumes. Swedens and Germanys trade balance is virtually equall so container freights is cheap aswell.

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Old July 2nd, 2007, 09:42 PM   #31
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Great news about this bridge! However, it sucks that Germany won't upgrade their heavy rail and road connections. Maybe if we build the bridge Maglev-ready they can be persuaded to upgrade the other connections.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 09:56 PM   #32
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A Maglev link would be the dream! I'm thinking about an Amsterdam-Groningen-Bremen-Hamburg-Lübeck-Copenhagen maglev link (the Amsterdam-Groningen part is or was in serious consideration in the Netherlands).

Maybe they could build a spare trackbed into the bridge, or another possibility to attach an additional maglev track to it later.
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 10:21 PM   #33
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 11:07 PM   #34
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Nice project! I really like the idea. 90 minutes, wow. That's almost unreal..
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 04:41 AM   #35
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90 minutes are not unreal. The distance Hamburg-Copenhagen is ca. 300km, roughly the same as Hamburg-Berlin (which takes just 90-100 minutes by train nowadays).
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Old July 5th, 2007, 12:16 AM   #36
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This bridge is of great importance to Norway, and I guess it will carry a lot of our fish exports to mainland Europe. Polferries might lose all their customers to the bridge though - it is probably easier and quicker to drive through Germany than to take the ferry directly from Poland to Sweden.
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Old July 5th, 2007, 12:39 AM   #37
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Smart move, getting the Danes to pay for everything.

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Old July 5th, 2007, 01:14 AM   #38
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^We can't burn the bridges behind us when we leave the EU without a bridge to burn now can we?
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Old July 5th, 2007, 01:29 AM   #39
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Poor Mr. D, so out of touch with his fellow Danes.
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Old July 5th, 2007, 08:15 AM   #40
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Smart move, getting the Danes to pay for everything.
Thats okay. We are always willing to lend a hand to our financially challanged neighbours to the south....


Just dont start bitching when the bridge becomes a succes and we get to keep it...
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