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Old June 29th, 2010, 09:51 AM   #2441
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did you expect austro-hungarian architecture like in slovenia?
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Old June 29th, 2010, 10:13 AM   #2442
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This is in Shköder outskirts on the way to Hani I Hotit:

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...372.JPG?psid=1

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...381.JPG?psid=1

And these are taken on the road to the MNE border:

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...401.JPG?psid=1

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...403.JPG?psid=1

And this is at the border crossing Hani I Hotit:

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...420.JPG?psid=1

I was really disappointed, because the lanscape around Shköder is beautiful. My impresion: it looks like the people don't care at all, the architecture of almost all newer buildings is awful and garbage is layed all over the place.
Very legit criticism.
The garbage problem has really been a problem for years and years now. The impotence of local government is partly to blame for that as well as the central government's lack of focus in tackling this issue by devising a general plan to clean up not just urban outskirts but the coastal beaches from all the waste and polluted materials.
Too bad the socialists didn't win the general elections as they're clearly much more competent and visionary party than the current ruling democrats.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #2443
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This is in Shköder outskirts on the way to Hani I Hotit:

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...372.JPG?psid=1

[IMG]http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pzb1LHP3TsSU78fF1WnYIKbX1MF80iSkUbaLUTfii8QxGE1HBdgjb7Z9I601cKigsT6Hgkka_-wWtxKQhhMvbg6Wh8xYhz0pZ/DSC_5381.JPG?psid=1

And these are taken on the road to the MNE border:

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...401.JPG?psid=1

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...403.JPG?psid=1

And this is at the border crossing Hani I Hotit:

http://d2dkeq.bay.livefilestore.com/...420.JPG?psid=1

I was really disappointed, because the lanscape around Shköder is beautiful. My impresion: it looks like the people don't care at all, the architecture of almost all newer buildings is awful and garbage is layed all over the place.
Really too bad.. All these things happen..'cuz in Albania exist an "bad habit".If there's an project to be realized..they don't touch/clean that place till the project will be executed(In this case the new highway)...despite the bad situation that place might be.

You don't see such kind of things in touristic places.Our beaches and national parks are clean.

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Old June 29th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #2444
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did you expect austro-hungarian architecture like in slovenia?
What do u mean?
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Old June 29th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #2445
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really? 90% of our "crew" were Czechs, but generally there`s quite a lot of Polish people ;D
but indeed people were very friendly, ex. we had no problem with sleeping few night on the beach
Absolutely.

There's an high number of Poles visiting Albania every year.You can find them everywhere..in the Alps...in Tirana..and ofc in riviera.

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and back to the topic - our route was more or less MK (Ohrid) - Elbasan - Rrogozhine - Durres - Shkoder - MNE (Ulcinj) and I can`t remember any road in bad condition longer than ~10-15km, which were rather minor roads; it`s good that one of the most important roads,
I guess till 2012 all main roads of Albania will finish.

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SH-DR-south is on quite flat land, so the cost of possible widening won`t be as enormous as construction of kosovian motorway
Yes.ofc.From Shkodėr to Vlora will be all in 4 lines.



As for the road to Kosovo..plans where to build that motorway since 1989(Since in the first steps of Kosova's independence) but the lack of money pushed the project till in 2006 when construction has been started.The terrain is very wild..composed only with high mountains.

Bechtel and Enka did an miracle.

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Old June 29th, 2010, 01:10 PM   #2446
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did you expect austro-hungarian architecture like in slovenia?
I was talking about newer buildings, I don't know if we can talk about newer austro-hungarian architecture. The old architecture in Shköder is beautiful!!! I wish that people would start appreciating what their forfathers left them and start being more reasonable by newer architecture. And that goes for the whole world, some positive exceptions can be found only in northern Europe. For garbage, I have no comment.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #2447
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Very legit criticism.
The garbage problem has really been a problem for years and years now. The impotence of local government is partly to blame for that as well as the central government's lack of focus in tackling this issue by devising a general plan to clean up not just urban outskirts but the coastal beaches from all the waste and polluted materials.
Too bad the socialists didn't win the general elections as they're clearly much more competent and visionary party than the current ruling democrats.
i've been seeing more work being done by the local governments in terms of cleaning up but i think a lot of the blame rests in the people's mentality. people always litter there and think that somehow it's normal, untill you remove this mentality maybe through harsh fines then the problem can't be fixed simply by cleaning everything.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 10:26 PM   #2448
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As for the road to Kosovo..plans where to build that motorway since 1989(Since in the first steps of Kosova's independence) but the lack of money pushed the project till in 2006 when construction has been started.The terrain is very wild..composed only with high mountains.

Bechtel and Enka did an miracle.
btw i`ve studied the topic since december, but didn`t found a clear info about which sections of DR-KK-KS motorway are in operation, (or at least half-profile), and when the rest is going to be opened

DR-Vore - part of DR-TR motorway
Vore-F. Kruje - plans
F. Kruje-Milot - construction
Milot-Rubik-Rreshen - ?? ready or not yet?
Rreshen-Kalimash - 76 km of motorway in operation
Kalimash-Kukes-Morine(KS) 13+21 km but... ready except tunnel or what
total lenght of 170 km is from Kosovo to Durres or just to Vore?
Thanks in advance
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Old June 29th, 2010, 11:29 PM   #2449
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btw i`ve studied the topic since december, but didn`t found a clear info about which sections of DR-KK-KS motorway are in operation, (or at least half-profile), and when the rest is going to be opened

DR-Vore - part of DR-TR motorway
Vore-F. Kruje - plans
F. Kruje-Milot - construction
Milot-Rubik-Rreshen - ?? ready or not yet?
Rreshen-Kalimash - 76 km of motorway in operation
Kalimash-Kukes-Morine(KS) 13+21 km but... ready except tunnel or what
total lenght of 170 km is from Kosovo to Durres or just to Vore?
Thanks in advance
The new segment from Tirana until The kosova-albanian ' border ' , is completely done and operational
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Old June 29th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #2450
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btw i`ve studied the topic since december, but didn`t found a clear info about which sections of DR-KK-KS motorway are in operation, (or at least half-profile), and when the rest is going to be opened
All sections are opened and only one tube of the "Kalimash" tunnels is open ...the other one will be ready by this october.

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DR-Vore - part of DR-TR motorway/Yes.
Vore-F. Kruje - plans/To reach Fushė Krujė from Vorė is used the road of the Airport.At last 90% of drivers use this road to reach F.Krujė from Vorė.

F. Kruje-Milot - construction/Yes.It will be expanded in 4 lines.
Milot-Rubik-Rreshen - ?? ready or not yet?/Finished

Here is an video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdbqHtFvtpI

Rreshen-Kalimash - 76 km of motorway in operation/Yep

Kalimash-Kukes-Morine(KS) 13+21 km but... ready except tunnel or what
total lenght of 170 km is from Kosovo to Durres or just to Vore?

In fact it was called Durrės-Morinė(Morinė is the border cross between Albania and Rep of Kosova) only bcz it will bring Kosova to the sea.But whole new road is only from Milot to Morinė.
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You're welcome.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 11:42 PM   #2451
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The above video is from Milot-Rubik.
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This is Rubik-Rrėshen section





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This is Rrėshen-Reps(Toward the tunnels) section







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And this is an video of Kalimash tunnels

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Old June 30th, 2010, 04:27 AM   #2454
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I was talking about newer buildings, I dont know if we can talk about newer austro-hungarian architecture. The old architecture in Shköder is beautiful!!! I wish that people would start appreciating what their forfathers left them and start being more reasonable by newer architecture. And that goes for the whole world, some positive exceptions can be found only in northern Europe. For garbage, I have no comment.
yeah its sad to see those kind of photos. i dont have a problem with architecture(kind of subjective preference in my opinion) as long as its clean. I liked Tirana better, more lively, great restaurants, great food and people. Better than compared to some other balkan capitals. I had lobster and scallops near a beach restaurant in Vlora. Yum!! I believe albania (and kosovo) will improve much more in the future. there a whole new generation growing up way different than what their parents went through communism.

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Old June 30th, 2010, 07:51 AM   #2455
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i am not sure about kosovo, they are in difficult situation and they will need many years to have healthy economy as well as the bad geographical country they have with many mountains but without Sea so this means countries without sea and without tourists have slower economic development rate.
On the other hand Albania is situated in Ionian Coast with beatiful beaches which is very positive for a economy. when i show my dad pictures of Albania, because he was going to albania with Greek Telecommunication (Ote-Cosmote or AMC) in 2000's for buissnes a in Tirane and dures, and when i saw him pictures he becomes surprised at how fast they have changed, so i do believe in a few years albania will surpass a few balkan countries
and they will become the top tourist destination in the meditterenean :P
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Old June 30th, 2010, 10:56 PM   #2456
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countries without sea and without tourists have slower economic development rate
Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg don't have sea ...
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:52 PM   #2457
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you cant compare these countries with kosovo.. they are situated in the center of Europe in one of the most beautiful regions, Alps!
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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...4,8.432007&z=8

Best road trip ever! hopefully next year it will be come a reality !!!!!!!
Google maps don't show that road, but you don't have to avoid Bosnia and Herzegovina and take a ferry after you pass Dubrovnik. There is road allrigt (a good one), going through that short Bosnian section.
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you cant compare these countries with kosovo.. they are situated in the center of Europe in one of the most beautiful regions, Alps!
You said that "countries without sea and without tourists have slower economic development rate", and I prooved to you that your statement is not correct. It's all about the people and not about geography.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 12:25 AM   #2460
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exatcly but i am saying its a plus for a country to be situated at adriatic coast
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