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Old December 23rd, 2011, 07:56 PM   #3181
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The map has been under review for some time and it will be updated in the coming days. I'll make sure to post the most accurate routes based on the info available. Thanks for the input

On stickedy's points,

- Vermosh border point is not off base. The circle covers with rough accuracy the regional area where the crossing path is located.
- Second road connecting Kor with Pogradec not only exists but it was completed just recently. The 33 km segment "Quks-Qaf Pllo" serves as a shorter alternative route to the previously existing road and is part of Kora's so called northern outer ring road.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 09:23 PM   #3182
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You couldn't use TIRAN and OROVOD as an example? Is there a rule in Albanian alphabet that you cannot use these letter in capital format?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 11:44 PM   #3183
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The map has been under review for some time and it will be updated in the coming days. I'll make sure to post the most accurate routes based on the info available. Thanks for the input

On stickedy's points,

- Vermosh border point is not off base. The circle covers with rough accuracy the regional area where the crossing path is located.
No, that's wrong! In fact at this point there could be a border crossing point made (there's the plan to open the border at tis point sometime in the future), but the real and only open border crossing near Vermosh is just at the opposite side of the border in this corner:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42...om=13&layers=M

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http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=42...&lyt=large_map


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- Second road connecting Kor with Pogradec not only exists but it was completed just recently. The 33 km segment "Quks-Qaf Pllo" serves as a shorter alternative route to the previously existing road and is part of Kora's so called northern outer ring road.
Never heard of that road or project before... I just checked the maps and satellite pictures and I highly doubt that anybody with brain in his head would build a new road western of the existing SH3: There are only high mountains, no villages and all valleys seem to go east - west instead of north - south.

And Quks is located at the SH3 in Shkumbin valley (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41...om=12&layers=M) not in the region where that road should be. I know that there is a connection Quks - Pogradec over a mountain pass by-passing the more known Qaf Thana but that road is just no driveable with a normal car. And I didn't hear of any works on this road either (in fact SH 3 isn't completed yet around lake Ohrid)

So I highly doubt any second road Korce - Pogradec (at least one which deserves the name) unless you give me an additional link or even pictures!
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Old December 24th, 2011, 02:04 AM   #3184
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I will triple check on the accuracy of the exact locations. However, I wouldn't trust second hand sources like Open Street Map which are easily editable by anyone.
Here is a linked article talking about Quks-Qaf Pllo
http://www.keshilliministrave.al/?fq...news&lid=11383
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Old December 27th, 2011, 02:26 AM   #3185
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I will triple check on the accuracy of the exact locations. However, I wouldn't trust second hand sources like Open Street Map which are easily editable by anyone.
Here is a linked article talking about Quks-Qaf Pllo
http://www.keshilliministrave.al/?fq...news&lid=11383
So, you don't trust Wikipedia either?

Here's Qukes on Google Maps: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=41.1158...src=6&t=m&z=12

I tried to understand that article but the Google translation is not really good. However, there's mentioned the route of the original Via Egnatia and that is afair Qukes - Pogradec (perhaps over Qaf Pllo). I will check that tomorrow with my books.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #3186
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Tirana's outer ring road.

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Old January 22nd, 2012, 04:55 PM   #3187
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 09:55 PM   #3192
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SH4 progress

Hi everyone,
I love driving in Albania, some of the roads are really great, although others are still 'work in progress' and pretty hard going.
I'm planning to travel south again from Montenegro to Greece with a caravan sometime in the next couple of weeks. I will be crossing from Muriqan to Kakavia. Can anyone tell me the condition of the roads, and whether there has been much progress since last July.
Also, I always seem to get lost trying to find the Durres bypass...does it really exist or is it just a map makers dream?
Thanks in advance for any help
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:28 PM   #3193
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Hi everyone,
I love driving in Albania, some of the roads are really great, although others are still 'work in progress' and pretty hard going.
I'm planning to travel south again from Montenegro to Greece with a caravan sometime in the next couple of weeks. I will be crossing from Muriqan to Kakavia. Can anyone tell me the condition of the roads, and whether there has been much progress since last July.
Tell me the route you travelled in Albania and the conditions of different segments and then I can try to update you with information about their condition and work progress now


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Sure, it exists and it is for the moment under construction..maybe it will be finished until summer I hope
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 09:11 PM   #3194
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Tell me the route you travelled in Albania and the conditions of different segments and then I can try to update you with information about their condition and work progress now
I guess it was the standard route: Muriqan - Shkodra - Fush-Kruja - Vora -Durres - Fier - Tepelena - Gjirokastra - Kakavia (or SH1 - SH52 - SH2 - SH4). You haven't much choice there if you're just transit...

@Kriticat: Am I right?

The new SH4 Fier - Tepelena is still not ready, so I would give you the advice to take the alternative over Elbasan and Korce to Greece: SH7 and SH3 from Rrogozhina. It's no fun to drive the old SH4 with a caravan! I did it 2.5 years ago... The road in the north is much better to drive. But this also depends where you want to go in Greece. If it's Ioaninna, it's not really an alternative, but If it's Korinth or Athens, then it would be fine

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But it's hard to find the exit when you're coming from Tirana. I missed the exit the first three time when travelling to Greece. Last year I saw the sign... Afair Kavaja or Rrogozhina is signed there, not Fier or any of the other cities in that direction as you would expect.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 04:32 PM   #3195
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Also, I always seem to get lost trying to find the Durres bypass...does it really exist or is it just a map makers dream?
Actually this road exists, as Rene1234 and Stickedy said. You shoul look for Rrogozhin exit in Tirana - Durrs expressway.

This road is being upgraded from regular 1X1 highway to 2X2 expressway.

Photos below I took in August of 2011. Durrs bypass stretches from point A to point B in the map below.






















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Old February 5th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #3196
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Travel times in Albania

Hi,
Could someone please confirm me the travel time by bus on the following sections (distances arefrom Via Michelin, travel time is my guess:
Murriqani-Shkodra 13 km= 20 min?
Shkodra -Durres, 125 km, 2 hrs?
Durres- Berat 88 km, 2 hrs?
Berat-Apolllonia??
Durres-Tirana 1 hour (from centre to centre)
Tirana-Shkodra-125 km, 2 hrs?
Shkodra-Han i Hotit-??
Han i Hotit-Podgorica??
Howmuch time does it take to cross into Montenegro at Han i Hotit?
Any idea about a good restaurant or coffe bar something like 2 hrs from Tirana to Shkodra?
Thank you veryy much for your replies
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Old February 5th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #3197
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Thanks everyone - stickedy is right about the route, and we've done it twice with a caravan - I couldn't always call it fun but it was certainly interesting! One time the road between Ballsh and Dames was closed because a truck carrying a huge vodafone mast overturned on a tight bend. after some hours a new 'road' was scraped out of the hill, and the police let some vehicles pass, but didn't believe we could do it in the caravan. We argued and persuaded and eventually were allowed to try and luckily we made it (my husband is a very good driver!)
The info about how to find the Durres bypass is invaluable - and will take an hour off the journey (not to mention lots of shouting as we try to drive through Durres looking for the road to Fier!)
But I will consider the Elbasan Korce route - it is always good to try a new route, we've also used the coast road via Saranda but have never been this way. We are heading to the Peloponnese so it could be an option.
How long do you think it would take, and what is the crossing into Greece like?
Thanks again - what a helpful forum
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Old February 10th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #3199
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Hi,
Could someone please confirm me the travel time by bus on the following sections (distances arefrom Via Michelin, travel time is my guess:
Murriqani-Shkodra 13 km= 20 min?
Shkodra -Durres, 125 km, 2 hrs?
Durres- Berat 88 km, 2 hrs?
Berat-Apolllonia??
Durres-Tirana 1 hour (from centre to centre)
Tirana-Shkodra-125 km, 2 hrs?
Shkodra-Han i Hotit-??
Han i Hotit-Podgorica??
Howmuch time does it take to cross into Montenegro at Han i Hotit?
Any idea about a good restaurant or coffe bar something like 2 hrs from Tirana to Shkodra?
Thank you veryy much for your replies
Yes, more or less your guess about the travel time is correct, anyway Shkodra-Hani Hotit is currently under construction so the time to travel there it depends how far the constructions have gone by the time you will travel. In my opinion it should not take more than an hour, crossing from Montenegro at Hani Hotit it takes 10-15 minutes so no problem there ..The route Berat-Fier is not in good conditions so I think it will take you around 70-90 minutes. From Fier to Apollonia it could take 20 minutes. There are a lot of bars and restaurants so don't worry about that, you will see them everywhere
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I only see one lane of travel in each direction in the pics above but they're calling it an expressway?
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