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Old June 13th, 2012, 09:49 AM   #1121
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This stretch of ORR is a nightmare



Commuters take up to two hours to cross MES Road during peak hours

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The construction of ring roads in the city is supposed to be for free movement of vehicles. But the stretch of Outer Ring Road (ORR) between Goraguntepalya on Tumkur Road and BEL Circle towards Hebbal hardly serves the purpose with just two lanes available for goods carriers and other vehicles.

Vehicles take at least an hour to cross this stretch, called MES Road, during off-peak hours and up to two hours during peak hours and during closure of gates at railway level-crossing.

If the torment suffered on account of the inadequate width of the road is not enough, various agencies have left trenches dug for laying utility lines on the sides of the road improperly filled, making things worse.

Road users and the traffic police who struggle to manage the traffic vouch that the road has been in a state of disrepair for more than six months now. Gas Authority of India Ltd. (GAIL), which is in the process of laying the Dhabol-Bangalore natural gas pipeline, has taken up work all along the ORR.

With potholes and asphalt cracking, driving on the road is a nightmare for most. There is also the problem of dust causing health problems among regular commuters.

“There is a lot of dust and there are no street lights on the road because of which the visibility is very low at night,” said Narender Singh, a truck driver who uses the road regularly. The bad condition of the road leads to accidents frequently.

Manohar Jayanna, who travels on the road every day, said, “The road is uneven and the visibility is also very low because of which I met with an accident here last month. My bike got damaged and repairs cost nearly Rs. 15,000.”

With two railway crossings, traffic congestion is an everyday nuisance on this stretch.

Autorickshaw drivers charge extra or refuse to take passengers to the area as even a single trip to or from the area takes nearly two hours. “We [drivers] refuse to take passengers to the area because the road is in terrible condition. There is always the risk of breakdowns because of the potholes, which is why we demand extra to go the area,” said Nagendra N., an autorickshaw driver.

Pedestrians are forced to weave through traffic as there are no footpaths in place, making it almost impossible to walk on the busy stretch. Being used by most heavy vehicles to enter the city from the Bangalore-Pune National Highway, this stretch of ORR is a link to Bellary Road and Old Madras Road.

‘WORK IN PROGRESS'

When contacted, a senior Bangalore Development Authority (BDA) official said the road has not been repaired as the BEL grade separator work is still in progress.

He told The Hindu, “Work is constantly going on the road; the underpass is not complete and even GAIL is laying gas lines. We are planning a road overbridge at railway level-crossings to ease traffic. The work on ROB will begin as soon as the HMT Link road work is completed; we will use that road to divert traffic from here.”
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Old June 13th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #1122
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Message from Bangalore traffic police on their facebook page : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banga...47207215344994

don't know if it is because of impending flyover construction...

"CHANGES AT NAGAVARA CIRCLE
1) People coming from Hennur Cross NO RIGHT TURN AT NAGAVARA JN TOWARD THANISANDRA MAIN ROAD. People going towards Thanisandra main road has to take U Turn under Veeranna palya flyover and come back and go to Thanisandra.
2) People coming from Tannery road and going towards Thanisandra NO RIGHT TURN AT NAGAVARA JN TOWARDS HENNUR.
3) People coming from Thanisandra can have RIGHT TURN AT NAGAVARA JN TO GO TOWARDS HEBBALA.
4) Signal time at this junction during peak hours has been reduced from 240 sec to 160 sec commuters are requested to co-operate."
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Old June 13th, 2012, 04:53 PM   #1123
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Message from Bangalore traffic police on their facebook page : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banga...47207215344994

don't know if it is because of impending flyover construction...

"CHANGES AT NAGAVARA CIRCLE
1) People coming from Hennur Cross NO RIGHT TURN AT NAGAVARA JN TOWARD THANISANDRA MAIN ROAD. People going towards Thanisandra main road has to take U Turn under Veeranna palya flyover and come back and go to Thanisandra.
2) People coming from Tannery road and going towards Thanisandra NO RIGHT TURN AT NAGAVARA JN TOWARDS HENNUR.
3) People coming from Thanisandra can have RIGHT TURN AT NAGAVARA JN TO GO TOWARDS HEBBALA.
4) Signal time at this junction during peak hours has been reduced from 240 sec to 160 sec commuters are requested to co-operate."
It makes sense to handle huge manyata traffic. good move
wish flyover will be built before deadline.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 04:57 AM   #1124
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Kadirenahalli underpass is both way open but half road from devegowda petrol bunk to underpass is closed for unknown reasons and it is a parking lot. So all those vehicles come wrong way on other half of the road and come to underpass as it is open both ways. I dont understand why parking is not banned there now

Nayandahalli ORR flyover is ready with sidewalls, but ramps on both sides half finished. Matter of weeks it will open
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Old June 15th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #1125
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Kadirenahalli underpass is both way open but half road from devegowda petrol bunk to underpass is closed for unknown reasons and it is a parking lot. So all those vehicles come wrong way on other half of the road and come to underpass as it is open both ways. I dont understand why parking is not banned there now

Nayandahalli ORR flyover is ready with sidewalls, but ramps on both sides half finished. Matter of weeks it will open
That one side is closed because they have to resurface that road.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #1126
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Any update on ORR flyover/underpass. @Calculus_blr are u busy ?

Any news when Bellandur, D.halli, K.halli 2nd arms/underpass ready. Thanks
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Old July 24th, 2012, 03:53 AM   #1127
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Any update on ORR flyover/underpass. @Calculus_blr are u busy ?

Any news when Bellandur, D.halli, K.halli 2nd arms/underpass ready. Thanks
Bellandur other half: 2-3 months from now. One side ramp finished but the other side long ramp still going on.
D. Halli other half: 1-2 months from now . One side ramp finished and other side ramp 70 % finished. Very good progress from the past 1 month.

K.Halli other half:Best Progress 2 months from now. side walls under progress.Over bridge ready.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 05:02 AM   #1128
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Any news on nayandahalli orr flyover?
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Old July 24th, 2012, 11:33 AM   #1129
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Any news on nayandahalli orr flyover?
Ramp work seems to be nearing completion. After that, they have to asphalt the flyover. Hopefully, it should be open by mid august or august end.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 03:18 PM   #1130
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ORR Flyovers

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Bellandur other half: 2-3 months from now. One side ramp finished but the other side long ramp still going on.
D. Halli other half: 1-2 months from now . One side ramp finished and other side ramp 70 % finished. Very good progress from the past 1 month.

K.Halli other half:Best Progress 2 months from now. side walls under progress.Over bridge ready.
I agree with the assessment. Though I don't agree with this single line
"Very good progress from the past 1 month."

The other side of the flyover was opened more than 4 months back? And since then they could not open the other half.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 08:09 AM   #1131
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NHAI, PWD to build Satellite Town Ring Road for B’lore

The long-delayed Satellite Town Ring Road (STRR) project to connect Bangalore’s satellite towns - Ramanagar, Dobbespet, Devanahalli, Hoskote, Attibele and Magadi will be implemented by the National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) and the State Public Works Department (PWD).

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While NHAI will develop the stretch between Dobbespet and Hoskote via Devanahalli, the PWD will construct the stretch between Attibele and Magadi Road under the Karnataka State Highway Improvement Project-II (KSHIP-II), PWD Minister C M Udasi told the Legislative Council on Tuesday, replying to a question by R V Venkatesh.

The project was first approved in 2006 and the Bangalore Metropolitan Region Development Authority (BMRDA) was to implement it. The land acquisition cost, which was estimated to be Rs 741 crore in 2007, has now shot up to Rs 2,872 crore.

The road construction was estimated to cost Rs 3,800 crore in 2007. The project is expected to trigger development of satellite towns and ease the pressure on Bangalore.

The State government has to bear the cost of land acquisition if the NHAI and the PWD take up the project, the minister stated.

The government had issued preliminary notification for land acquisition under the project in 2007.

Many ring roads

The BMRDA has plans to develop about 734 km of ring roads around Bangalore. They are: STRR, Intermediate Ring Road (IRR) and Radial Roads. The Bangalore Development Authority (BDA) has plans to develop a Peripheral Ring Road (PRR).

IRR is proposed to have a length of 188 km, circumventing Bangalore beyond the proposed BDA Peripheral Road (110 km), connecting Tattekere, Harohalli, Bidadi, Thippagondanahalli, Nelamangala, Devanahalli, Nallur, Hoskote and Sarjapur.

Radial Roads are proposed to be of 262 km length and they will connect the existing Outer Ring Road and the proposed Peripheral Road of the BDA as well as the Intermediate Ring Road proposed by the BMRDA and Satellite Town Ring Road. However, none of these projects has taken off due to land acquisition problems.

23 new NHs

Udasi said the PWD has proposed to the Union Surface Transport Ministry to upgrade 23 state highways.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 08:14 AM   #1132
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Ramp work seems to be nearing completion. After that, they have to asphalt the flyover. Hopefully, it should be open by mid august or august end.
thanks. once ramp sidewall and asphalting done traffic jams there will be history why dont they start ramp early to finish work in parallel..
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Old July 25th, 2012, 12:56 PM   #1133
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thanks. once ramp sidewall and asphalting done traffic jams there will be history why dont they start ramp early to finish work in parallel..
If only people worked toward finishing the job as soon as possible..
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Old July 25th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #1134
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I agree with the assessment. Though I don't agree with this single line
"Very good progress from the past 1 month."

The other side of the flyover was opened more than 4 months back? And since then they could not open the other half.
because the last 3 months , there was almost nil progress. Seems like they were gasping for breath after finishing the first part of flyover..

Also i dont understand why they cant build ramps in Parallel.. Labour Problem??
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:36 PM   #1135
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because the last 3 months , there was almost nil progress. Seems like they were gasping for breath after finishing the first part of flyover..

Also i dont understand why they cant build ramps in Parallel.. Labour Problem??
I have always wondered why they can't parallelize more. It can't be a labour problem in India, where labour is cheap and plenty. Private building (for e.g. malls, apartments etc) have a high level of parallelization. And in a Fixed price project, the contractor stands to gain a lot if they finish in time or early.

The same Nagarjuna or L&T or Simplex finish construction projects much faster if they are building for a private party ( for e.g. a hotel or a mall ).

Only reason I could think of is, probably, lack of working capital. BDA or BBMP may not be paying the contractor in time as soon as certain phases get completed. Would like to hear from a construction contractor on the issue.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #1136
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I have always wondered why they can't parallelize more. It can't be a labour problem in India, where labour is cheap and plenty. Private building (for e.g. malls, apartments etc) have a high level of parallelization. And in a Fixed price project, the contractor stands to gain a lot if they finish in time or early.

The same Nagarjuna or L&T or Simplex finish construction projects much faster if they are building for a private party ( for e.g. a hotel or a mall ).

Only reason I could think of is, probably, lack of working capital. BDA or BBMP may not be paying the contractor in time as soon as certain phases get completed. Would like to hear from a construction contractor on the issue.
There can be other issues ->BSNL/Jala Mandali/Drainage Pipes/Power Cables which also need to be taken care. Also why is the execution time so less in other states? eg: Hyderabad? Last issue i had posted in forum was about Kadrenahalli contractor he was kicked out of hyderabad when he did not execute the project in time, he was given a warriors welcome in Bengalooru :-)
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There can be other issues ->BSNL/Jala Mandali/Drainage Pipes/Power Cables which also need to be taken care. Also why is the execution time so less in other states? eg: Hyderabad? Last issue i had posted in forum was about Kadrenahalli contractor he was kicked out of hyderabad when he did not execute the project in time, he was given a warriors welcome in Bengalooru :-)
In this case, they had completed all the spans including the Longest span(which takes the most time) and dug for the ramps.

I also saw that NCC/Nagarjuna had better execution on ORR than Simplex and that was not good ,being executing in the busiest part of ORR.Heck we even have jams at 11 o clock in the night in that location.
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I have always wondered why they can't parallelize more. It can't be a labour problem in India, where labour is cheap and plenty. Private building (for e.g. malls, apartments etc) have a high level of parallelization. And in a Fixed price project, the contractor stands to gain a lot if they finish in time or early.

The same Nagarjuna or L&T or Simplex finish construction projects much faster if they are building for a private party ( for e.g. a hotel or a mall ).

Only reason I could think of is, probably, lack of working capital. BDA or BBMP may not be paying the contractor in time as soon as certain phases get completed. Would like to hear from a construction contractor on the issue.
The large construction firms have ample capital. I think the real problem is that the contracts do not provide the right incentives. Someone needs to do a proper game-theoretic analysis of the contracts.
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The large construction firms have ample capital. I think the real problem is that the contracts do not provide the right incentives. Someone needs to do a proper game-theoretic analysis of the contracts.
What I meant was the construction companies may not block their working capital for government contracts. Suppose they do so, and spend the entire 20cr or so from their own pockets, then they have to hang around BDA offices waiting for their cheques which every BDA babu will delay for obvious reasons. The BDA is also under no pressure to pay the contractor for a completed project.

Better for them would be to spend just say 10% from their pocket, and wait for BDA to pay incrementally. Unfinished projects would ensure that the BDA pays up regularly.

That would also explain the sudden spurts and slumps in the construction activity.
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Kaggalipura Bannerghatta Road

There is a existing 60feet road connecting Kaggalipura-Bannerghatta road, does anybody know if this road has been planned for road widening, does this road fall under STRR or BDA PRR?
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