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Old September 12th, 2008, 11:41 PM   #61
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I don't think the Big Dig is really that expensive compared to European projects. It's 14.6 billion pricetag would be about € 10 billion, but compromises the wide I-93 tunnel, the Zakim Bridge, a new interchange, and the extension of the I-90 under the Boston harbor. All of that while traffic was still running on site.

The Americans are just used too much to cheap projects, and didn't really have any very large urban freeway projects since the completion of much of the Interstate System.

To compare, the widening of several freeways around Amsterdam also adds up to above 4 billion euro's. And that's not even any new infrastructure, except the modification of some interchanges.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 12:01 AM   #62
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The Dutch Westerscheldetunnel costed about 800 million Euros. It's 6.6 kms long, so 800/6.6= 121 mln. Euros per km. Very expensive. The tunnel was partly meant to improve tourism in the Zeeuws-Vlaanderen area. It hardly helped though.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 01:06 PM   #63
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[EUR] Successful motorway construction institutional arrangements

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Old May 10th, 2009, 01:53 AM   #64
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Economic recession vs. motorway construction

No doubt that there is an influence of the current ongoing economic downturn on the motorway development projects in your country. But which is it?

a). Because of the recession, the government has postponed the starting of some new projects, and has delayed the implementation of ongoing ones, quoting the significant decrease of budgetary revenues.

b). To stimulate the economic rebound, the government has actually aggressively pursued the acceleration of infrastructure projects, including starting new ones, to reduce the unemployment and help the numerous businesses connected with infrastructure development.

Which is it in your country? Please support your statement by facts.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 02:13 AM   #65
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a). Because of the recession, the government has postponed the starting of some new projects, and has delayed the implementation of ongoing ones, quoting the significant decrease of budgetary revenues.
Ireland is the delaying low priority roads. We actually have no capital whatsoever for new roads. However we are still constructing 17 major roads.


3 future schemes are going to be put through the PPP process PPP 2nd roads programme which banks offer to fund for. But since there is no credit available in banks things look bad.
However there is a lifeline through which pension funds might provide the credit for some major projects. The deadline for our inter urban motorway network will be kept for next year. Other motorways along the atlantic corridor and the M3 will not be affected. Most of the roads mentioned below are on the back burner anyway.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...243317036.html


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A PROPOSED bypass of Castleisland, Co Kerry, is to become the only new national road scheme to go to construction this year under a reduced €1.44 billion annual budget for the National Roads Authority (NRA).

Announcing the allocation yesterday, Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey said the authority’s emphasis for 2009 would be on continuing 17 major projects among them the inter-urban motorways between Dublin and the cities of Galway, Limerick, Cork and Waterford.
He said the 17 projects have a combined length of just under 500km, and were being constructed at a cost of €5 billion, funded on a multi-annual basis.

At €1.44 billion for 2009, the roads authority allocation is about €240 million less than that of 2008.

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Old May 10th, 2009, 06:42 AM   #66
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America is INCREASING infrastructure spending in light of the recession. The stimulus bill contains about $27-$28 billion USD for road construction/maintenance.

In my town of Bloomington, a stretch of heavily traveled road is going to get a much needed re-surfacing and the crowded east/west bypass around the city is going to be widened earlier because of highway stimulus funds.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 08:55 AM   #67
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Even with that we have many road projects being canceled, at least here in FL,
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Old May 10th, 2009, 09:55 AM   #68
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Hong Kong is accelerating design and construction of key projects, such as the bridge to Macau and Zhuhai, China.

Project thread : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=168110
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Old May 10th, 2009, 09:58 AM   #69
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Australia definitely b.

Our federal budget is this Tuesday and the front headline of the Weekend Australian (9/10 May) was 'PM's $25b fast track to recovery' and outline transport infrastructure projects that will be funded including:

1. the Melbourne-Brisbane inland railway
2. NSW's Hunter Valley's F3-Branxton Fwy
3. Pacific Highway (Sydney-Brisbane)
4. Melbourne's M80 Ring Road upgrade
5. Melbourne's East-West metro tunnel

In addition, in Victoria's State Budget handed down last Tuesday:
1. Frankston Bypass
2. starting the Western Highway Ballarat-Stawell duplication
3. starting Nagambie Bypass of Goulburn Valley Hwy

Generally, Australia Governments are now playing catch up for decades of underinvestment in our infrastructure. Although we are now public debt-light, our Governments are preparing to dive head first into a giant swimming pool of debt to fund infrastructure projects.

Although I welcome the infrastructure investment and I think that they are good projects for the country, I am now a bit worried about 5-10 years down the track about how strong our economy will be if we thought we dived into a swimming pool of debt and found ourselves in a big lake of debt.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 10:59 AM   #70
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I think they're doing nothing in the Netherlands, I haven't seen a budget cutback, but also not a stimulus plan like in the U.S.

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Old May 10th, 2009, 12:56 PM   #71
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Poland sticks to its motorway construction schedule, we still have a lot of UE funds to use so it would be very unwise to cancel any construction due to crisis. Federal funds for road construction have been granted and included in the budget. But then again, Poland hasn't been really hit by the crisis yet and is one of the few countries that is actually going to experience a GDP growth this year.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 03:18 PM   #72
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In the case of Spain it is too early to tell, but I suspect we will have to look on flat funding levels as a good result. The Spanish government has sent signals that it is aligning itself with France and Germany (and against the US and the UK) in opposition to stimulus spending and "invest out of recession" strategies. But it is difficult to tell how this will translate into the number and pace of contract advertisements, since those don't seem to pick up until the autumn (at least in the case of Fomento).
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Old May 10th, 2009, 03:25 PM   #73
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Here current construction is still advancing as planned (mostly), but plans for future motorways and expressways are slowly being to be postponed into far future (as it seems currently). Our only motorway company is in big debts and declining traffic doesn't help at paying off debts. Building of new motorways will commence earlier only on sections with very high traffic. Some important corridors with less traffic won't be improved anytime soon. Especially because railway renewal will get more focus in next years.

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Old May 10th, 2009, 11:13 PM   #74
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Slovakia is going to start construction of more than 180 km of motorways and expressways which is the most in one year in our history. We will use state budget, EU funds and mostly public-private partnership projects.
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Is Slovakia affected by the current economic recession?
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Old May 11th, 2009, 01:00 AM   #76
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Is Slovakia affected by the current economic recession?
Is there any country which isn't?

Well, Slovakia is affected by the crisis indirectly. There is lack of demand for our industrial products in Western Europe, mainly in Germany. Our industrial production shrink by 30% and Slovak economy will be in recession this year even despite massive infrastructural projects like construction of motorways, upgrade of railways and construction of new nuclear power plant. On the other hand, thanks to low public debt and overall health of economy we can survive the crisis without serious problems, of course only if the economy of Western Europe will start to recovery soon.
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The majority of EU funds will only start coming now,which will result in a gigantic, ~25 billion EUR investment for the country until 2013... Even if only 10% will go to motorways,thats still a lot of money.
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Non-traditional motorway construction in your contry?

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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:20 PM   #79
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Among the advantages which would be obviously the opposites of the above, this approach would benefit from GREAT economies of scale (e.g. state could negotiate extremely good prices for bitumen, cement etc.) for the scale in discussion. Better planning and etc.
That how it worked right after the war in some countries. It was fast and cheap, but it often lack quality. But answer to your question is: No, it cannot work that way in this sort of economy.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:22 PM   #80
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Heh, the eternal fight between centally planned and free economy

In this world impossible, as this would inevitably lead to creation of monopoly or in the best case oligopoly.
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