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Old March 8th, 2010, 01:06 PM   #2081
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I think these guys reposted the article

http://www.2point6billion.com/news/2...work-4328.html

Mar. 8 – China has announced plans to develop a three-pronged high speed rail network that will expand its own tracks to a further seventeen countries throughout Asia and stretch as far as Europe.

Wang Mengshu, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, has said that China was in negotiations with several countries to develop rail networks developed to China’s national specifications, and that the network would be financed on the basis of trade for the technology.

The plans include Southeast Asia, with a network to run south from Kunming through Vietnam, Thailand, and Malaysia on the way to Singapore and west across to Myanmar and India.

A western network would run from Urumqi through Central Asia, including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, possibly connecting through Pakistan, Iran, and Turkey through to Germany.

The third spur would leave Heilongjiang, cross Mongolia, Russia and head west across Siberia on the way to Europe. China and Russia have already agreed to build a high speed rail line across Siberia.

However, logistics problems still have to be worked out. Not all countries operate the same gauge rail as China’s high speed trains, and the cost would be enormous – high speed track is three times more expensive than conventional rail and all routes would require new track to be laid. In order to take part in the increased trade such routes would bring, some countries are prepared to offer trade incentives in exchange for financial backing on the high speed routes. Myanmar, for example, is apparently prepared to offer rich reserves of lithium, a metal with many industrial applications in computing.

The routes also go hand in hand with some of the oil and gas pipelines heading into China from Siberia and Central Asia. China expects trade and commerce to develop significantly in the Western regions with the establishment of mines, factories, and business centers throughout Xinjiang Province and Central Asia as the routes assist sustainable development in the region.
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Old March 8th, 2010, 01:54 PM   #2082
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A western network would run from Urumqi through Central Asia, including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, possibly connecting through Pakistan, Iran, and Turkey through to Germany.
Turkey and Germany do not have a border.
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Old March 8th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #2083
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Turkey and Germany do not have a border.
I guess the words 'intermediate countries' were omitted between 'through' and 'to Germany'?
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Old March 8th, 2010, 02:52 PM   #2084
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Awesome! Can't wait to see trans-siberian CRH HSR
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Old March 8th, 2010, 03:24 PM   #2085
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http://www.tj.xinhuanet.com/bhxq/200...t_18152339.htm

The high-speed railway to Urumqi is already under construction. A single trip from Beijing to Urumqi could be under 12 hours. Once completed in 2014, it is possible to take a train depart from Beijing at 9 pm Beijing time and arrive Urumqi at 7 am Urumqi time.
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Old March 8th, 2010, 03:42 PM   #2086
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China plans Asia-Europe rail network

China is negotiating to extend its high-speed railway network to up to 17 countries, a mainland rail expert who has taken part in every major express line project said yesterday....

http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP...ser&ss=&s=News
I believe CHR trains would go thru Russia to minimize border issues. besides China has an excellent foreign relationship with russia. With Chinese and Russian financial arm, this is not an imaginary project. this might take off and running in 10 years if plans really push thru
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Old March 8th, 2010, 03:51 PM   #2087
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The high-speed railway to Urumqi is already under construction. A single trip from Beijing to Urumqi could be under 12 hours. Once completed in 2014, it is possible to take a train depart from Beijing at 9 pm Beijing time and arrive Urumqi at 7 am Urumqi time.
What would the trip times be Xian-Urumqi? Lanzhou-Urumqi?

And what would the trip time be by HSR Urumqi-Almaty?
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Old March 8th, 2010, 04:23 PM   #2088
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What would the trip times be Xian-Urumqi? Lanzhou-Urumqi?

And what would the trip time be by HSR Urumqi-Almaty?
I think Lanzhou-Urumqi=6 hrs, via Xining, Zhangye, Jiuquan, Jiayuguan, Hami and Turpan.

Not sure about Xian-Urumqi, Construction work of the Baoji-Lanzhou section has not yet started. Besides, all official news report says this is a 200 km/h line, but the conflict data (1776 km ÷ 6 hrs > 250 km/h) and the railway's specs (7000 meters minimum curve radius) reveals it is obviously a 350 km/h line. And look into history, when the construction work of Beijing-Tianjin and Wuhan-Guangzhou lines just started in 2005, they were also "above 200 km/h" in the news.

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Old March 8th, 2010, 04:59 PM   #2089
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I believe CHR trains would go thru Russia to minimize border issues. besides China has an excellent foreign relationship with russia. With Chinese and Russian financial arm, this is not an imaginary project. this might take off and running in 10 years if plans really push thru
China is building HSR to Urumqi for their domestic traffic anyway. Europe to Urumqi is shorter than Europe to Harbin.
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Old March 8th, 2010, 10:00 PM   #2090
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Full article for the Asia-Europe HSR proposal (thnx hkhui)

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China plans Asia-Europe rail network
High-speed routes to tap resources
Stephen Chen in Beijing
Mar 08, 2010


China is negotiating to extend its high-speed railway network to up to 17 countries, a mainland rail expert who has taken part in every major express line project said yesterday.
Wang Mengshu, professor at Beijing Jiaotong University and a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, said most of these countries were in southeast and central Asia. Most are inadequately developed but rich in mineral and energy resources, and the talks involve a trade of resources for technology.

Wang said China had proposed three high-speed railway projects to these countries, with negotiations already at the technical stage. One possible network involves Southeast Asia, connecting Kunming , Yunnan, with Singapore, with service through Vietnam, Thailand, Myanmar and Malaysia, though the exact routing is unclear.

Another network would start from Urumqi, capital of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. It would go through Central Asian countries such as Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, and then possibly extend to Germany.

The third network would originate in Heilongjiang in the northeast and go north, cross Russia and aim for Western Europe.

These lines would be built using China's high-speed railway standard. The maximum speed would be 350 kilometres per hour, with the most economical operating speed 200km/h.

China had promised to provide the technology, equipment and high-speed trains, Wang said, adding that Beijing would even cover the construction cost for countries willing to give it natural resources.

For instance, Myanmar has agreed to offer its rich reserves of lithium, a metal with wide industrial applications, in exchange for financial backing on high-speed railway construction.

Central Asian and Eastern European countries, already pumping natural gas to China via pipelines, would receive substantial financial support. Iran, Pakistan and India are also in negotiations with China to build high-speed rail lines, he said.

China and Russia had already agreed to build a high-speed line across Siberia, he added.

However, there were some technical issues to be overcome, Wang said. For example, trains in Kyrgyzstan run on a narrower gauge than those in China.

China wants the high-speed trains through these countries to run on the same gauge as on the mainland. It has convinced Vietnam to abandon its domestic standard for the Chinese one, but some countries have not yet agreed.

Such issues have slowed negotiations, meaning some of the rail lines - even if agreements are reached - could be finished as late at 2025, Wang said.

"China's overseas high-speed rail projects serve two purposes. First, we need to develop the western regions. Secondly, we need natural resources," he said. "We foresee that in the coming decades, hundreds of millions of people will migrate to the western regions, where land is empty and resources are untapped.

"With the fast, convenient transport of high-speed trains, people will set up mines, factories and business centres in the west. They will trade with Central Asian and Eastern European countries.

"Meanwhile, resources from those countries will stream into China to sustain development. I call it high-speed rail diplomacy."
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Old March 8th, 2010, 11:52 PM   #2091
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wow. a 350km/h line to Urumqi. That's crazy. I wont believe it until I see it because I don't see high volume of passengers that justifies this. however, 7000m radius is really a strong evidence for 350km/h.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 12:48 AM   #2092
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wow. a 350km/h line to Urumqi. That's crazy. I wont believe it until I see it because I don't see high volume of passengers that justifies this. however, 7000m radius is really a strong evidence for 350km/h.
I don't think the idea of an HSL to Urumqi is a far-fetched one. As a capital city there should be substancial demand, and businesses will be more willing to locate to Urumqi with improved transport link, so it'll demand will grow once the line is built. An HSL to Urumqi sounds more likely to be in a decent planning stage than say an express rail-link between Guangzhou South and central Guangzhou in any case.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 01:58 AM   #2093
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http://bbs.hasea.com/thread-441000-1-1.html#pid6762788

And another record: The line includes the highest HSR track, at nearly 3600 meters above sea level.

Qilianshan Tunnel on the border of Gansu and Qinghai provinces:
* Length: 9500 meters
* Max depth: 823 meters
* South entrance: 3572.3 meters above sea level
* North entrance: 3382.3 meters above sea level
* Gradient: 20‰
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Old March 9th, 2010, 03:29 AM   #2094
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Full article for the Asia-Europe HSR proposal (thnx hkhui)

This proposal of Asia-Europe HSR line is almost certainly the dumbest project idea I've ever come across in recent memory!

Apart from millitary implications of the HSR in events of war ( particularly any invasion into Chinese heartland), this HSR line servces nothing but wasting money.

Controling central Asia energy corridor, thus controlling China's only land-based energy lifeline, is what the US's invasions into Iraq/Afgan/ Pakistan, (and possiblely Iran) are all about.

HSR built by billions upon billions of Chinese hard-earned dollars could, and will, be easily sabotaged and disrupted at wish by no more than a 10$-worth suicide bomber, or a CIA operative just to be sure, along the line of any part within these 17 countries, 24/7 at a short notice.

And it will "pass through India as well..." Are those project planners Catagory 5 nutsjobs???

The idiots who are seriously planning this project must be truly daydreamers, as Jewish States of America millitary machine alone would NEVER allow this Chinese High Speed Energy Lifeline come into operating in one piece.

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Old March 9th, 2010, 06:47 AM   #2095
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Dude, what the hell are you talking about?? I know Chinese have been subjected to hypocrisy of Western world since the opium war but what you wrote is being paranoiac. As clearly stated in the article this type of network will be very beneficial for China. It will help to create a European Union like economic structure China being the center.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 10:06 AM   #2096
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Not just that .Chinese government is not gonna do it for free.It is some kind of a trade where they exchange they built HSR in exchange for Chinese commodity and natural resources need.
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Dude, what the hell are you talking about?? I know Chinese have been subjected to hypocrisy of Western world since the opium war but what you wrote is being paranoiac. As clearly stated in the article this type of network will be very beneficial for China. It will help to create a European Union like economic structure China being the center.
Call me paranoiac? Either you are not a Chinese patriot, or you are a Junior High dropoff, tell me about it.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 02:24 PM   #2098
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HSR to Europe? Highly inefficient.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #2099
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Call me paranoid? Either you are not a Chinese patriot, or you are a Junior High dropout, tell me about it.
I sure hope Chinese patriots can do a better job at spelling than both of you Talking about junior high dropouts...
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However, there were some technical issues to be overcome, Wang said. For example, trains in Kyrgyzstan run on a narrower gauge than those in China.
Kyrgyzstan uses Soviet broad gauge while China uses standard gauge. I hope that it's the reporter who got that the wrong way round and not Prof. Wang.

Anyway, these ideas sound more like an imperial daydream than a realistic plan. Even if we imagine that high speed rail is worthwhile for transcontinental distances, this is more about funnelling natural resources to China and generating business for the Chinese companies that would build the lines and trains than helping neighbouring countries, all the more so if lines are to be paid for by countries granting mineral concessions to China. In fact, it comes close to the classic colonial economic model - the coloniser takes raw materials from the colony, which then serves as a captive market for the coloniser's industries.

As for Vietnam, it's not China that persuaded the country to switch to standard gauge. There is already a plan to build a high speed line between Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) with Japanese financing and Shinkansen technology.
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