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Old March 27th, 2010, 06:45 AM   #2281
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China Exports Its First Train To India

In an important development, China has announced that it has shipped its first subway/metro train to Mumbai. This is not just the first class A type train to be exported by China, but also the first train to be sent to India. The trains will be used by the Mumbai Metro Network which is scheduled to be launched later this year.

http://blog.looktoeast.com/2010/03/2...-industry.aspx
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Old March 27th, 2010, 07:15 AM   #2282
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Construction of high-speed rail begins in SW China
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GUIYANG - Construction of a high-speed passenger railway linking Changsha city of central China's Hunan province with Kunming city of the southwestern province Yunnan began Friday.

Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Dejiang attended the launch ceremony of the project and announced the start of construction in Guiyang, capital city of southwest China's Guizhou province.

The railway linking Kunming and Changsha, 1,167 km in length, is designed for trains traveling at 250 km per hour, and is part of the Shanghai-Kunming Passenger Railway.

Travel time between Kunming and Changsha is expected to be reduced to only four hours from the current 22.8 hours when the railway is completed.

When the project will be finished is not immediately known.

It is estimated the new high-speed railway would carry 60 million passengers from Changsha to Kunming each year when completed.

"The Changsha-Kunming railway will help improve transport between central and southwest China, and it will also beef up connections between the southwest with the prosperous east coast," said Zhang.

The Shanghai-Kunming Passenger Railway would promote industrialization and urbanization of China and the coordinated development between central and western China, Zhang said.

Zhang stressed quality and safety in the railway's construction as many tunnels and bridges would need to be built in the hilly region between Changsha and Kunming.
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Old March 27th, 2010, 07:19 AM   #2283
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All interesting news. Especially India export and pan-Asia rail link ones. Tnx
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Old March 27th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #2284
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As usual, this is a 350 kmh class high-speed rail, not 250 km. This is also implied by the 4-hour, 1167-km journey time.

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The railway linking Kunming and Changsha, 1,167 km in length, is designed for trains traveling at 250 km per hour, and is part of the Shanghai-Kunming Passenger Railway.

Travel time between Kunming and Changsha is expected to be reduced to only four hours from the current 22.8 hours when the railway is completed.
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Old March 27th, 2010, 11:29 PM   #2285
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I wonder how much does all these construction project costs? I'm pretty sure the total expenses exceeds more than US 300 billion dollars in conservative estimate. The question is how will the Chinese Government pay for this project? How many millions of people are working? And what will it truly benefit once all these projects are finished? Can China provide or develop their own "Bullet" train in the next 5 - 10 years? And the last question is what will be the annual maintenance costs will be? It must really expensive.

Oh, there is also that Maglev project.
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Old March 27th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #2286
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Here are some of the ADB reports on 2 projects in China. The "Reports and Recommendations" are where you can find the costs/benefits and the financial analysis

Xian-Zhengzhou (455km)
http://www.adb.org/Projects/project.asp?id=37487

Lanzhou-Chongqing (820km)
http://www.adb.org/Projects/project.asp?id=35354

Of course, how accurate are these projections and are they representative of the others?
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Old March 28th, 2010, 01:32 AM   #2287
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I wonder how much does all these construction project costs? I'm pretty sure the total expenses exceeds more than US 300 billion dollars in conservative estimate. The question is how will the Chinese Government pay for this project? How many millions of people are working? And what will it truly benefit once all these projects are finished? Can China provide or develop their own "Bullet" train in the next 5 - 10 years? And the last question is what will be the annual maintenance costs will be? It must really expensive.

Oh, there is also that Maglev project.
Well, Washington will spend just 8 billion dollars in H.S. Rail and over $300 billions in purchasing the new fighters.

It is a question of priorities..
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Old March 28th, 2010, 03:39 AM   #2288
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Does anyone know what train is in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzkSmP2Gi8g
It looks like a mix between the CRH train sets with a modification of the front. Any info would be greatly appreciated
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Old March 28th, 2010, 07:51 AM   #2289
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Does anyone know what train is in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzkSmP2Gi8g
It looks like a mix between the CRH train sets with a modification of the front. Any info would be greatly appreciated
Only in Chinese and Japanese:

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/長白山號電動車組
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/長白山号

It's Changbaishan introduced in 2004/2005 before CRH. Maximum operating speed at 180 km/h. Only two sets were produced.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 09:25 PM   #2290
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What do you mean by China's own bullet train?

China imported the (quasi) bullet trains of 200 km h class from Siemens, Kawasaki, Bombardier and Alstom for its sixth nation-wide railway speed upgrade in 2007. It jointly developed CRH2 and CRH3 with Japan and Siemens by modifying and upgrading the respective imported trains for the 300 - 350 km h lines. It is now developing the 350-380 km h class bullet trains on its own and to be delivered next year.

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I wonder how much does all these construction project costs? I'm pretty sure the total expenses exceeds more than US 300 billion dollars in conservative estimate. The question is how will the Chinese Government pay for this project? How many millions of people are working? And what will it truly benefit once all these projects are finished? Can China provide or develop their own "Bullet" train in the next 5 - 10 years? And the last question is what will be the annual maintenance costs will be? It must really expensive.

Oh, there is also that Maglev project.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #2291
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Only in Chinese and Japanese:

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/長白山號電動車組
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/長白山号

It's Changbaishan introduced in 2004/2005 before CRH. Maximum operating speed at 180 km/h. Only two sets were produced.
This is not "China Star" right?
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Old March 29th, 2010, 06:59 AM   #2292
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This is not "China Star" right?
No, it isn’t.
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Old March 29th, 2010, 11:01 AM   #2293
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I wonder how much does all these construction project costs? I'm pretty sure the total expenses exceeds more than US 300 billion dollars in conservative estimate. The question is how will the Chinese Government pay for this project? How many millions of people are working? And what will it truly benefit once all these projects are finished? Can China provide or develop their own "Bullet" train in the next 5 - 10 years? And the last question is what will be the annual maintenance costs will be? It must really expensive.

Oh, there is also that Maglev project.
The most important thing to remember about China and the Chinese over the last 20 years, is that though may not have earned as much as the west per capita, they didn't actually spend it all.

Though $300bn may be a conservative estimate, it is dwindled in size by how much the Chinese government has in savings. It is invested mostly in dollars and mostly in the USA so it is not completely liquid as withdrawal affects the exchange rate with the dollar etc etc. Nonetheless it means that the Chinese can invest without being in debt overall, allowing a freehand to invest in infrastructure. Infrastructure investment has been a much larger factor in GDP growth over the last 20-30 years in China than in western countries (aided by not having to justify projects to the bank managers to bank roll it - the party has more power to tell the banks what to do).
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Old March 29th, 2010, 06:08 PM   #2294
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It is estimated the new high-speed railway would carry 60 million passengers from Changsha to Kunming each year when completed.
How exactly do they come up with those numbers?
Thre has been news of "disappointing" performance of Beijing-Tianjin line that in a first year of operation had transported "only" 18 million passengers instead of expected 38 million, yet if you try to brake down those numbers it is virtually impossible to hit the target.
Just think of it 30 000 000 passengers each way (lets assume for simplicity that number of travelers will be equal in each direction) a year means 821292 passengers a day. Assuming 16 car long CRH style train (carrying about1200 passengers) this means 68,5 departures a day, or about every 20 minutes around the clock. Isn't it a bit absurd? What is the point to set target that most probably shall fail? Do those exaggerated numbers have to do with receiving founding? Or am I missing something?

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Old March 29th, 2010, 09:21 PM   #2295
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Couple of comments:

1. The projected numbers should not be taken with a high confidence. The truth is in a growing market any forecast numbers are bound to be unreliable. But you need a crude number to start with.

2. Currently Beijing-Tianjin line has average daily passengers of 50,000. You're right they need to hit over 80,000 to meet with the forecast number.

3. You have to consider the 18 million is just the first year, when the metro lines to Beijing South Railway Station and Tianjin Railway Station had not been completed. The Beijing South Railway Station is in the southern part of the city and is a bit far away from the major commercial districts (in the north) and the more populous and wealthier part of the city. So you need good intra-city transit network. The Line 4 to Beijing South Railway Station had become operational late last year. Line 14, which will connect CBD to the station, is still under construction and won't be completed in a few years.

4. Your calculation of average daily departures of 68 is about right. The current daily departures are between 58 - 60+, with more departures during weekends and holidays. The discrepancy of passengers numbers is because right now Beijing-Tianjin is using 8-car CRH.

5. For comparison purpose, China's other HSRs have been more than met their forecast passenger numbers: Taiyuan - Shijiazhuang - Beijing, Heifei-Nanjing, Hefei-Wuhan, and the coastal line: Ningbo - Taizhou - Wenzhou - Fuzhou. Other comparisons: Taiwan's Taipei - Kaosiung and Korea's KTX Seoul - Busan all had ridership of around 100,000 after a few years, although they all had a disappointing start. Beijing and Tianjin are all over 10 million population mega cities.

6. You need a little bit more patience: China is growing and the passenger volume is only going to grow. The HSR is built for 50 - 100 years.


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How exactly do they come up with those numbers?
Thre has been news of "disappointing" performance of Beijing-Tianjin line that in a first year of operation had transported "only" 18 million passengers instead of expected 38 million, yet if you try to brake down those numbers it is virtually impossible to hit the target.
Just think of it 30 000 000 passengers each way (lets assume for simplicity that number of travelers will be equal in each direction) a year means 821292 passengers a day. Assuming 16 car long CRH style train (carrying about1200 passengers) this means 68,5 departures a day, or about every 20 minutes around the clock. Isn't it a bit absurd? What is the point to set target that most probably shall fail? Do those exaggerated numbers have to do with receiving founding? Or am I missing something?
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Old March 30th, 2010, 01:39 AM   #2296
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The most important thing to remember about China and the Chinese over the last 20 years, is that though may not have earned as much as the west per capita, they didn't actually spend it all.

Though $300bn may be a conservative estimate, it is dwindled in size by how much the Chinese government has in savings. It is invested mostly in dollars and mostly in the USA so it is not completely liquid as withdrawal affects the exchange rate with the dollar etc etc. Nonetheless it means that the Chinese can invest without being in debt overall, allowing a freehand to invest in infrastructure. Infrastructure investment has been a much larger factor in GDP growth over the last 20-30 years in China than in western countries (aided by not having to justify projects to the bank managers to bank roll it - the party has more power to tell the banks what to do).
Just on previous page, I send an article saying China will spend more than 700 billion dollar Have a look...
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Old April 5th, 2010, 10:48 PM   #2297
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So how is the Beijing-Shanghai HSR construction progressing? Anyone got news? Or, even better, photos?
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Here you go

First, a very accurate to scale map of the route



Sorry the construction pics are all over the place, they are from late last year to early this year.















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Any idea when in 2011 it will be finished? I hope it is finished just before the summer holiday, so I can use it! Hopefully, I can take the train from Shenzhen-Shanghai-Beijing next year!
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Here you go
Fastest answer ever, thanks Scion! Nice photos (careful to the dimensions of the fourth one, anyway).
I love those megamachines... I also love the elevated railway construction method, I believe it's so much better for the environmental balance...
Like Hkhui said, is there a projected completion date yet? They mentioned 2012, right?
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