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Old April 27th, 2010, 12:34 AM   #2401
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Nanping-Sanming-Longyan high-speed railway to start construction

Updated: 2010-04-19
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The Nanping-Sanming-Longyan High-speed Railway (or Nansanlong High-speed Railway) will begin construction at the end of this year, according to the Fujian Provincial Development & Reform Committee. The railway project has been approved by the Ministry of Railways of the P.R.C and Fujian Government, each of whom will contribute half of the project funds.

Covering 243.5 kilometers, the electrified double track project is expected to run at a speed of 250 kilometers per hour. The Nansanlong High-speed Railway is an important part of Fujian’s railway network. In addition to linking 8 cities of Fujian, it is also an important component of the Hangzhou-Guangzhou railway. The Nansanlong High-speed Railway will cover 3 cities and 7 counties in Fujian. The three cities are Nanping, Sanming and Longyan. The 7 counties are Yanping, Shaxian, Meilie, Sanyuan, Yong’an, Zhangping and Xinluo.

It is expected to be completed in 4 years.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 12:37 AM   #2402
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feeling a bit lonely tonight at home?

We all read about his complaints. He is facing stiff competition from China, so of course he is mad. But, that's none of our business, and, time will heal


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So you have the word of Shinkansen Line CEO that Chinese are speeding their Shinkansen trains beyond their safe operating speed limit.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 12:57 AM   #2403
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Chinese track is no more modern than German tracks.

And Germans who supplied track design and rolling stock certified them for 300 km/hr max revenue service speed, but this is ignored by Chinese operators.
except that they modified the rolling-stock and signaling system and did tests on them. the certification is not so much ignored as irrelevant, because the chinese were bent on having a faster train from the get go, and were making all kinds of optimizations to that end.

By the way, the older versions of ballastless track CRTS-I/II are indeed based on German and Japanese technologies, but the newest model CRTS-III is indigenously designed.

I am sorry if that gives you another bunch of sour grapes....

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Old April 27th, 2010, 01:00 AM   #2404
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may we return to the topic of the CRH380 for a moment? Can some knowledgeable person explain why this "beard" - the forward protrusion just above the rails - is retained? Does it have a function, or is it a vestige of an older design that the chinese were not able to get rid of?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 01:24 AM   #2405
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It might act as a diffuser.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 01:56 AM   #2406
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Does it have a function, or is it a vestige of an older design that the chinese were not able to get rid of?
Chinese engineers didn't know what they were doing, so they kept it as close to Shinkansen as possible to minimize risks.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 01:57 AM   #2407
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Is the CRH380 the Zefiro 380? If so then I find it interesting that Bombardier is using aspects from Siemens and JR.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 01:58 AM   #2408
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except that they modified the rolling-stock and signaling system
Chinese were in no position to modify those, foreign engineers did it for them.

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and did tests on them. the certification is not so much ignored as irrelevant, because the chinese were bent on having a faster train from the get go
And they ignored safety margin to achieve that.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:06 AM   #2409
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Chinese were in no position to modify those, foreign engineers did it for them.

Not true. That was the case for tianjin-Beijing line, but not for the lines that went into operation later.


And they ignored safety margin to achieve that.

I have said this, but I will say it again: YOU ARE IN NO POSITION WHATSOEVER TO KNOW THAT. If you made an impression of someone susceptible to rational arguments, I'd point you to the various sources mentioned in the exchange between me and DoDo linked above. But the impression you actually make is a sore-loser who isn't capable of any logical reasoning.
But please, at least keep your sour-grapes to yourself.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:11 AM   #2410
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@HyperMiler: Hi Onn! Long time no see!
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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:17 AM   #2411
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Chinese engineers didn't know what they were doing, so they kept it as close to Shinkansen as possible to minimize risks.
I already knew your "answer": it's the most predictable thing in the world. But I wasn't asking you, as you are the last person to qualify for the description "a knowledgeable person".

And please, stop spamming this forum. You are not making any substantive contribution whatsoever. All you've been writing are just bald claims that have been made here in this thread many times over and have proved to have no merit. These wishful-claims have been going around ever since the Germans realized that they are selling technology to a country only to enable a future rival (the Japanese knew this from the get go). It's a kind of psychological compensation mechanism, but unfortunately has nothing to do with facts.

Now of course there is a political dimension to the issue of buying technologies with the express purpose of indigenizing and optimizing them to compete with the sellers of these technologies. But the thread is not devoted to such an evaluative discourse. We are here only for the technical facts.

If you are really interested in the truth, then, read my posts linked above at Eurotrib, and respond to them, with reasoned arguments and sources. Otherwise, just s***** up.

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Is the CRH380 the Zefiro 380? If so then I find it interesting that Bombardier is using aspects from Siemens and JR.
No it's not the same. These are two parallel developments.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:53 AM   #2413
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Is it just me or this guy Onn really has a complex and a very serious one with anything regarding China ?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 04:39 AM   #2414
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And please, stop spamming this forum.
Actually that's what I am asking to you. Please stop spamming!!!

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You are not making any substantive contribution whatsoever.
I have given you the manufacturer's spec and the word of Shinkansen operator chairman that prove that Chinese are overspeeding Shinkansen E2 and Valero CN beyond their designed speed limit.

What have you brought on the table? Nothing other than "Trust Chinese Engineers and train operators, they know what they are doing". Too bad most people have no faith in anything related to China and Chinese.
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@HyperMiler: Hi Onn! Long time no see!
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Old April 27th, 2010, 05:52 AM   #2416
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April 26 Fuzhou-Xiamen CRH opens



Location: Fujian Province
Length: 274.9km
Max speed: 250kmph

it shortens train traveling time from 11 hoursa to 1.5 hours.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:08 AM   #2417
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from 11 hours to 1.5... wow! Great job.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 07:56 AM   #2418
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there's no direct rail connecting the two cities before. 11-hr is detour route time.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 08:23 AM   #2419
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Hi:
Please speak for yourself only. What is the meaning of the words
"most people" in you sentence? Do you mean most people in the Western world? Assuming you are not speaking for the people from
the old colonies, that is only 1 billion out of 7 billion people on earth.
Even in the presumed leader of the western world, a.k.a. the USA,
please go to a popular store such as Walmart, you can find what percent
of the products are made in China. Why do these people spend their
hards earned money on those "things related to China".
There are many bad things in China. But, please write with facts
rather than with negative emotions.
Cheers,
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Actually that's what I am asking to you. Please stop spamming!!!


I have given you the manufacturer's spec and the word of Shinkansen operator chairman that prove that Chinese are overspeeding Shinkansen E2 and Valero CN beyond their designed speed limit.

What have you brought on the table? Nothing other than "Trust Chinese Engineers and train operators, they know what they are doing". Too bad most people have no faith in anything related to China and Chinese.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:03 AM   #2420
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lol you should win an oscar
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