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Old May 14th, 2010, 11:31 AM   #2501
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Old May 14th, 2010, 05:16 PM   #2502
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I tooked the train from Hong Kong to Guangzhou. The train was fast but all the time others trains have been faster. I thought it`s the fastest train that drives from Hong Kong to Guangzhou.

In October i will take the Maglev
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Old May 14th, 2010, 06:02 PM   #2503
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CRH380 is ZEFIROhttp://www.zefiro.bombardier.com/des...tml?article=fr

Berlin, September 28, 2009

Bombardier Sifang Wins Contract to Build 80 Very High Speed Trains for China
Leading-edge BOMBARDIER ZEFIRO technology to feature maximum operating speeds of 380 kph


Bombardier Transportation announced today that its Chinese joint venture, Bombardier Sifang (Qingdao) Transportation Ltd., has been selected by the Chinese Ministry of Railways (MOR) to supply 80 ZEFIRO 380very high speed trains (1,120 cars) for the country’s rapidly growing high speed rail network. The contract, including 20eight-car trainsets and 60 sixteen-car trainsets, isvalued at an estimated 27.4 billion Chinese Renminbis ($4 billion US, 2.7 billion euros*). Bombardier’s share of the contract is estimated at 13.5 billion Chinese Renminbis, ($2 billion US, 1.3 billion euros).[1] The first train is scheduled for delivery in 2012 with final deliveries expected in 2014.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #2504
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CRH380 is ZEFIROhttp://www.zefiro.bombardier.com/des...tml?article=fr

Berlin, September 28, 2009

Bombardier Sifang Wins Contract to Build 80 Very High Speed Trains for China
Leading-edge BOMBARDIER ZEFIRO technology to feature maximum operating speeds of 380 kph


Bombardier Transportation announced today that its Chinese joint venture, Bombardier Sifang (Qingdao) Transportation Ltd., has been selected by the Chinese Ministry of Railways (MOR) to supply 80 ZEFIRO 380very high speed trains (1,120 cars) for the country’s rapidly growing high speed rail network. The contract, including 20eight-car trainsets and 60 sixteen-car trainsets, isvalued at an estimated 27.4 billion Chinese Renminbis ($4 billion US, 2.7 billion euros*). Bombardier’s share of the contract is estimated at 13.5 billion Chinese Renminbis, ($2 billion US, 1.3 billion euros).[1] The first train is scheduled for delivery in 2012 with final deliveries expected in 2014.
CRH380 is not Zefiro. It's well known that Sifang is involved in two parallel developments of next generation trains. CRH380 is scheduled to be delivered next year, when Beijing-Shanghai line finishes construction.

Stop spreading ignorance and posting old news.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 07:00 PM   #2505
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From official chinese news source:

http://cppcc.people.com.cn/GB/34956/11597606.html

The delivery time of CRH380 is mentioned, though only by and by:

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“CRH380新一代高速动车10月份下线,以后北京到上海的时间将缩短至4个多小时。”
which says, roughly: the new generation high speed train CRH380 will be delivered in October [this year], shortening the trip from Beijing to Shanghai to just over 4 hours.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #2506
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which says, roughly: the new generation high speed train CRH380 will be delivered in October [this year], shortening the trip from Beijing to Shanghai to just over 4 hours.
Seems like China doesn't value the life of its citizens very much; doing the product testing on paying customers, or is the ride free during CRH380 testing period?
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Old May 14th, 2010, 08:35 PM   #2507
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Seems like China doesn't value the life of its citizens very much; doing the product testing on paying customers, or is the ride free during CRH380 testing period?
I guess by now this can well qualify as full-fledged trolling. You came out with your fears time and time over. Enough of that.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #2508
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they'll do 380 in timetable service when pigs fly
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Old May 14th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #2509
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Great! Sooner that I expected. Hope to use those trains in 2012
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Old May 14th, 2010, 09:14 PM   #2510
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I guess by now this can well qualify as full-fledged trolling.
Not at all, I am dead serious on this.

In other countries, prototype trains are extensively tested for 4~5 years before they are validated and put into revenue service.

With CRH380, what's the testing period if this thing actually enters service in October as claimed in the article?
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Old May 14th, 2010, 09:15 PM   #2511
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Great! Sooner that I expected.
And that's a terrible news, think about it.

This almost reminds me of Chinese automaker Chery bragging to press about how they tested one of their new models to 200K km, a new record for a Chinese automaker. But 200K km is only 125K miles...

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they'll do 380 in timetable service when pigs fly
I think they are serious about 380 km/hr thing.

It is a symbolic figure that Chinese has a reason to achieve by all means, because 380 km/hr enables that Beijing-Shanghai trip in 4 hours.

Anyhow, I found an interesting article about CRH2C.

http://globe.asahi.com/feature/090202/03_2.html

Kawasaki's managing director actually protested the Chinese speeding of CRH2 series, saying that the maximum speed limit of E2 is 275 km/hr. Even worse, JR East originally agreed to teach the Chinese how to operate CRH2 for an upper speed limit of 200 km/hr.

Terrified by Chinese speeding on CRH2 beyond its design speed limit, JR East demanded, and received, a waiver document declaring that JR East is not responsible for any accident involving CRH2.

So it appears that CRH2C/380 are indeed speed upgrades independently made by the Chinese without Kawasaki/JR East's involvement. So why did Chinese pick E2 and not Velaro CN? Because it's much lighter, thus easier to speed up.

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Old May 14th, 2010, 11:48 PM   #2512
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This 380 kmh issue shows just how stupid the decision was to use conventional steel-wheel/rail technology for such an important route as Bejing-Shanghai.

Neither the germans, nor the japanese go that fast with their trains in everyday service. They know why! Even though they have the best experts and the most experience in building and maintaining high speed rail.

The Shanghai Maglev runs at 430 kmh in everyday service for more than 5 years.
It could easily reach 500 kmh in everyday service (the system is even in germany certified for such speeds!)

You could make the Bejing-Shanghai trip in about 3 and a half our---completely safe with a proven technology.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #2513
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This 380 kmh issue shows just how stupid the decision was to use conventional steel-wheel/rail technology for such an important route as Bejing-Shanghai.
no it wasn't, they can build a faster maglev when the capacity is needed in the future


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Neither the germans, nor the japanese go that fast with their trains in everyday service. They know why! Even though they have the best experts and the most experience in building and maintaining high speed rail.
really...
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The Shanghai Maglev runs at 430 kmh in everyday service for more than 5 years.
It could easily reach 500 kmh in everyday service (the system is even in germany certified for such speeds!)

You could make the Bejing-Shanghai trip in about 3 and a half our---completely safe with a proven technology.
wow, win a whole hour....at 10x the price and no interoperabilty
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Old May 14th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #2514
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wow, that was a fast answer...do you get payed for this?
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Old May 15th, 2010, 12:02 AM   #2515
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wow, that was a fast answer...do you get payed for this?
do you????
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Old May 15th, 2010, 12:07 AM   #2516
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Neither the germans, nor the japanese go that fast with their trains in everyday service. They know why! Even though they have the best experts and the most experience in building and maintaining high speed rail.

Because, their tracks are older and not on par what Chinese has.

If their tracks were/had:

1) 7000m turn radius
2) Balastless
3) Mostly elevated

and if they had money and political will, they would run their trains faster.

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Old May 15th, 2010, 01:03 AM   #2517
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If their tracks were/had:

1) 7000km turn radius
I hope you mean 7000m, because 7000km is a turn radius of a spaceship...
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Old May 15th, 2010, 02:05 AM   #2518
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they'll do 380 in timetable service when pigs fly
oh, really? great. I will ride one of these pigs to the station (saves me gas and from crowds) and take the 380km/h train then. Great combination. You know how expensive these pigs are going to be? Maybe France will export them?

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Old May 15th, 2010, 02:31 AM   #2519
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Not at all, I am dead serious on this.

In other countries, prototype trains are extensively tested for 4~5 years before they are validated and put into revenue service.

With CRH380, what's the testing period if this thing actually enters service in October as claimed in the article?
It is already in test. The train was under testing on Beijing's circuit railway facility late April, and rumor says it has been moved on to the Zhengzhou-Xi'an HSR last week.

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I hope you mean 7000m, because 7000km is a turn radius of a spaceship...
No, I was talking about Earth's curvature
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