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Old May 15th, 2010, 03:48 AM   #2521
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It is already in test. The train was under testing on Beijing's circuit railway facility late April, and rumor says it has been moved on to the Zhengzhou-Xi'an HSR last week.
So we have four more years of testing to go and it should be ready for service by April 2014, No???
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Old May 15th, 2010, 04:57 AM   #2522
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why do you need so much testing? CRH has NEVER had an accident, injury, or death. GTFO with your trolling. CRH has an impeccable safety record and your "fears" (more like your hopes) are completely unfounded.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 05:18 AM   #2523
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why do you need so much testing?
The question should be the other way around; "Why don't Chinese do enough testing?"

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CRH has NEVER had an accident, injury, or death.
1. All existing CRH models are foreign designs.
2. China's high speed rail hasn't been around long enough to show the effect of excessive speeding.

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your "fears" are completely unfounded.
Kawasaki and JR East disagree; they asked for, and got, the document of waiver after finding out that Chinese were running CRH2 beyond their design speed limit.

They designed the system that Chinese use; they know better than Chinese if their machine could take such prolonged mechanical abuse or not.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 05:34 AM   #2524
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why do you need so much testing? CRH has NEVER had an accident, injury, or death. GTFO with your trolling. CRH has an impeccable safety record and your "fears" (more like your hopes) are completely unfounded.
The short answer would be, because we are human.

Have you ever counted how many times CRH went out of service because of a problem or another in the short period it has been in service?
Testing is to prove that everything they had planned on the drawing board is correct and amend any and all unseen problems to shorten down time of the system before it goes into actual commercial service.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 06:44 AM   #2525
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Its things like this that leave you with your mouth hanging open and wondering why can we not at least try to do something like this in the USA.
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China plans $1 trillion in urban rail spending by 2015

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» After $1 trillion in spending, 1,900 miles of rapid transit planned for world’s most populated country by 2015.

Most of China’s growth is concentrated in its large urban centers, which will house fifty percent of the country’s population by 2020 and 75% by 2050. For these increasingly huge megacities, the central government has no choice but to develop adequate measures to transport the population. Following the American model of car dependence is simply not possible because of high densities and inadequate space. With its high-speed rail network, now the longest in the world, the Chinese are providing efficient intercity links into downtowns.

But it’s in urban rail networks that the country has made the biggest strides towards increasing mobility within cities. Shanghai’s huge Metro, the longest on earth, is just one among eleven currently operating in China. Dozens of other cities have rapid transit systems either under construction or in planning.

Now the central government has made a commitment to spend up to one trillion U.S. dollars by 2015 on such grade-separated urban public transportation corridors. After roughly $150 billion in spending on rapid transit this year alone, China will offer a total of 870 miles of metro systems, up from around 600 today, on the way to 1,900 miles in five years. Far more is planned by 2020, especially in the east coast powerhouses of Beijing, Shanghai, and the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong megaplex.

Urban infrastructure investment has consumed an average of 2.6% of China’s GDP since 1994. With a national growth rate predicted to hold at between seven and ten percent a year, the country will be able to guarantee its huge level of investment.

Total infrastructure investment across all levels of government accounts for roughly 1% of American GDP. The U.S. commits about $100 billion a year to all forms of transportation spending.

Whether China’s spending will be enough to prevent the rapid rise in car use there is unknown. Chinese’s per capita automobile ownership has increased from 24 cars per 1,000 people to 40 per 1,000, though that’s far less than the 765 cars per 1,000 people in the United States. The country’s decision to implement tolls on virtually all new highways and the use of vehicle restrictions in the central zones of cities like Shanghai and Beijing will spur more use of public transit.

China better be preparing for the future, though, when it will need to spend more rebuilding its infrastructure than constructing it anew. One hopes the Chinese have developed more stable long-term operations and maintenance funds than have those of us in North America.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 09:09 AM   #2526
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The question should be the other way around; "Why don't Chinese do enough testing?"
wow, what a troll? You are just jealous of China. The newest generation of highspeed train is designed by Chinese companies, without outdated parts from Japan.
The Chinese put in the investments and surpassed the Japanese in quality.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 09:09 AM   #2527
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The question should be the other way around; "Why don't Chinese do enough testing?"

wow, what a troll? You are just jealous of China. The newest generation of highspeed train is designed by Chinese companies, without outdated parts from Japan.
The Chinese put in the investments and surpassed the Japanese in quality.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 09:18 AM   #2528
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why do you need so much testing? CRH has NEVER had an accident, injury, or death. GTFO with your trolling. CRH has an impeccable safety record and your "fears" (more like your hopes) are completely unfounded.
You got it right, HyperTroll makes me think of the typical racist who is just looking forward to an accident in order to show the Chinese are a backward people and the "west" has superior "humanist" values. We are full of such garbage, in Italy too.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 11:30 AM   #2529
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It is already in test. The train was under testing on Beijing's circuit railway facility late April, and rumor says it has been moved on to the Zhengzhou-Xi'an HSR last week.
We don't know how long the new train has been under test. What the rumor (with multiple sources and fotos now seems pretty reliable) says is that they are moving to the last test phase with real conditions of commercial operation. Before they could do this, they must have had long and extensive tests on the test-tracks.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #2530
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CRH380 is not Zefiro. It's well known that Sifang is involved in two parallel developments of next generation trains. CRH380 is scheduled to be delivered next year, when Beijing-Shanghai line finishes construction.

Stop spreading ignorance and posting old news.
CRH380 must be Zefiro.

It is building by BST, not by Sifang. Lay persons confused the 2 factories in Qingdao.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 12:11 PM   #2531
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CRH380 must be Zefiro.

It is building by BST, not by Sifang. Lay persons confused the 2 factories in Qingdao.
I don't know about "lay persons". You are certainly confused, and ill-informed. Zefiro is going to be delivered at the earliest in 2012, CRH380 is scheduled to be delivered this year.

"BST" is a joint venture between Bombardier and Sifang, so Sifang is definitely involved in Zefiro. It's just a different line of business as CRH380, for which Sifang alone is responsible.

You need to provide sources for what you claim. But in this case, you aren't going to find any such sources, because your claim is plainly false.

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Old May 15th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #2532
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why do you need so much testing? CRH has NEVER had an accident, injury, or death.
wow, what an achievement with trains that have been in service in other countries for decades...
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Old May 15th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #2533
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yes and Shinkansen has only had one death ever, and it wasn't due to a crash. It also uses lower quality tracks than CRH. With the higher quality tracks, larger curve radius, and better signalling system of CRH, crashes are nearly impossible, and while the trains may wear out faster due to the higher speed, they can just buy new ones or refurbrish them every few years. The 380km/h train is specifically designed for higher speeds, so wear and tear will be less of a problem on that, and the older 350km/h trains will be slowly replaced anyway.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 08:57 PM   #2534
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...better signalling system of CRH
I'm curious, what about it that makes it "better"? (just asking)
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Old May 15th, 2010, 08:59 PM   #2535
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The newest generation of highspeed train is designed by Chinese companies
"Copied" != "Designed"

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"west" has superior "humanist" values.
Which is actually true.

When atheists dream of a world without Christianity, I point them toward China as the example what a Godless world would look like today.

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We don't know how long the new train has been under test.
There were pictures of CRH380's outer skin being transported circulating around the net since early this year. So it's not more than 5 months.

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What the rumor (with multiple sources and fotos now seems pretty reliable) says is that they are moving to the last test phase
That's one scary rumor if true.

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It also uses lower quality tracks than CRH.
Shinkansen tracks aren't as abused as CRH tracks are.

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and better signalling system of CRH
I am not sure what signaling system CRH adopts(I presume the European system), but it is not better than Shinkansen's signal and control system.

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crashes are nearly impossible
When trains are being operated within manufacturer's guideline, which isn't the case with CRH trains.

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they can just buy new ones or refurbrish them every few years.
Looking at rest of China's railway system, I don't think so.

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The 380km/h train is specifically designed for higher speeds
None of components used in CRH380 are certified for 380 km/hr revenue speed; not the E2 body nor the bogies from Velaro CN.
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I'm curious, what about it that makes it "better"? (just asking)
it uses ETCS
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so its basically just your thoughts and opinions, vs my facts. Good to know that you're talking out of your ass.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 07:05 AM   #2538
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it uses ETCS
Ah, I see. ETCS level 2 I suppose. The main difference between that and Japan's digital ATC is that ETCS level 2 uses wireless (GSM) to transmit information rather than through the tracks. More reliable possibly and cheaper, especially on long stretches of track with the requisite maintenance demands.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 07:50 AM   #2539
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Which is actually true.

When atheists dream of a world without Christianity, I point them toward China as the example what a Godless world would look like today.


There were pictures of CRH380's outer skin being transported circulating around the net since early this year. So it's not more than 5 months.


That's one scary rumor if true.


Shinkansen tracks aren't as abused as CRH tracks are.


I am not sure what signaling system CRH adopts(I presume the European system), but it is not better than Shinkansen's signal and control system.


When trains are being operated within manufacturer's guideline, which isn't the case with CRH trains.


Looking at rest of China's railway system, I don't think so.


None of components used in CRH380 are certified for 380 km/hr revenue speed; not the E2 body nor the bogies from Velaro CN.
You are one messed up personality. Almost everything you have written are either plain wrong or irrational babbles.

CHR380 is a Chinese design.

You don't know anything about history and humanist values.

Religion is nothing more than an illusion created and believed by mortals like you. It has to be completely out of governmental system otherwise results have been clear but you don't know anything about history or present day, so...

It is sad that you are almost praying for an accident in China which shows your "humanity" values. You are spamming here, just to write "I told you so" in case an accident occurred.

Which holly institution should certify CRH380 for 380km/h??? Vatican??? Do you think Chinese do not have such standards.. actually probably you don't that is why this crab

By the way, Chinese has the best high speed network on the World It is fastest, longest and most modern one. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about this
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"Copied" != "Designed"

nah, the Chinese imported the first batch of trains. There was no need to copy, because they bought the trains with money.

After that they did their research and development and made their own substantial improvements to the trains. This is Chinese design with Chinese parts, together with much better railway tracks and signaling systems, their performance is above the Japanese.
The Chinese are now setting the necessary quality and reliability standards for 380km/h, not the Japanese.

Now, the Japanese are trying to copy from the Chinese, as the Chinese highspeed railway system is better.

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