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Old May 18th, 2010, 06:03 PM   #2621
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Old May 18th, 2010, 06:32 PM   #2622
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Hypermiller get a life please and stop ruining my forum.

get out...
Didn't it occur to you that it is your baseless whining that's ruining this forum?

You are not contributing anything useful here.

Just Look at this page.

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Old May 18th, 2010, 08:13 PM   #2623
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Put him on your ignore list, I did that...
I never knew about that. thanks!
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Old May 18th, 2010, 08:13 PM   #2624
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Didn't it occur to you that it is your baseless whining that's ruining this forum?

You are not contributing anything useful here.

Just Look at this page.
whatever monkey.

Your post is my base.
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Old May 18th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #2625
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according to his mentality, which is so negatively Enthusiastic about PRC, HyperMiler is an indian, can't be wrong.
Just ignore that Indian troll.
what names were he posting with before this?
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Old May 18th, 2010, 10:39 PM   #2626
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Just ignore that Indian troll.
what names were he posting with before this?
Seriously, you guys get a life too. Not every sinophobe and wacko is an Indian. When's the last time you hear an Indian complain about a "godless world" anyway?? Just put him on your ignore list. That way, his messages are automatically blended out. "out of sight, out of mind" as they say.

Back to topic: does anyone have any info on the progress of the CHR3 based next generation HS train? Both the Wikipedia article on CRH380 (which is CRH2 based and has little to do with CRH3-380) as well as some chinese rail-fan forums contain brief and oblique references to hiccups in the cooperation between Bei-Zhe - the chinese producer - and Siemens, to the effect that Siemens does not agree to many of the modifications the chinese side wants to make. Since Siemens still provides some of the key components to the CRHs that the chinese at the moment cannot produce, they apparently have a say in how far the chinese can go to modify the CRH3 to produce a next generation variant (code-named CRH3-380).

Does anyone have more detailed information on that?

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Old May 18th, 2010, 10:46 PM   #2627
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Back to topic: does anyone has any info on the progress of the CHR3 based next generation HS train?
Chinese aren't working with CRH3 because it is heavier and cost more than twice as much as CRH2.

Chinese have taken individual component from CRH3 like bogie and put into CRH2's body to create CRH380, but the base platform of choice for further modification is CRH2 Shinkansen.

This strategy means Chinese will not be present in the US or Europe, but focus on high speed rail projects of developing countries, where cost matters more than safety and performance, and IP rights wouldn't matter.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #2628
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Put him on your ignore list, I did that...
I forgot this forum had that option. Thanks for reminding
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Old May 19th, 2010, 12:12 AM   #2629
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Seriously, you guys get a life too. Not every sinophobe and wacko is an Indian. When's the last time you hear an Indian complain about a "godless world" anyway?? Just put him on your ignore list. That way, his messages are automatically blended out. "out of sight, out of mind" as they say.

Back to topic: does anyone have any info on the progress of the CHR3 based next generation HS train? Both the Wikipedia article on CRH380 (which is CRH2 based and has little to do with CRH3-380) as well as some chinese rail-fan forums contain brief and oblique references to hiccups in the cooperation between Bei-Zhe - the chinese producer - and Siemens, to the effect that Siemens does not agree to many of the modifications the chinese side wants to make. Since Siemens still provides some of the key components to the CRHs that the chinese at the moment cannot produce, they apparently have a say in how far the chinese can go to modify the CRH3 to produce a next generation variant (code-named CRH3-380).

Does anyone have more detailed information on that?
I am a little bit confused. I start to think there are three 380s.

1) what we see in expo

2) one that is talked about in Kawasaki deal
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article...icleid/3578595

3) one based on Siemens one. (this might be #1)
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Old May 19th, 2010, 12:51 AM   #2630
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Old May 19th, 2010, 01:01 AM   #2631
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I am a little bit confused. I start to think there are three 380s.
No, there is only one.

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1) what we see in expo
This is the only CRH380.

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2) one that is talked about in Kawasaki deal
It is not a Kawasaki deal, but a deal with China Sifang Locomotive, who in turn is licensed by Kawasaki. Kawasaki director protested Chinese modification of CRH2 back in 2009 and does not approve such Chinese modification. Accordingly all modifications are of China Sifang's own work. In fact, this model maybe CRH380, thereby confirming that CRH380 is a modified Shinkansen E2.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 02:12 AM   #2632
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I am a little bit confused. I start to think there are three 380s.

1) what we see in expo

2) one that is talked about in Kawasaki deal
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article...icleid/3578595

3) one based on Siemens one. (this might be #1)
CRH1-380: Bombardier's Zefiro 380 version
CRH2-380: Sifang 380 version CRH2
CRH3-380: Tangshan 380 version CRH3

The one in Exop is CRH2-380, one photo in ourail bbs shows it has started testing on tracks, but the photo was deleted several days later.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 07:15 AM   #2633
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Some pictures snapped by some friends on Railwayfan.net These arn't my photos as I'm simply linking them.

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CRH380 Test Train <--- people seem to be asking about this lately.
Photo taken on the Beijing-Guangzhou conventional line. Train was travelling south near the city of Shijiazhuang, around 300kms from Beijing. Definately one of the first instances where the train has been seen operating on its own power in public.

http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image...6/glowfoto.jpg

URL reference (http://www.railwayfan.net/viewthread...age%3D2&page=2)


CRH1E & CRH1

http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image.../img5/glowfoto

CRH1E
http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image.../img6/glowfoto

CRH2 350
http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image.../img4/glowfoto

CRH5
http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image.../img4/glowfoto
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Old May 19th, 2010, 07:38 AM   #2634
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Some pictures snapped by some friends on Railwayfan.net These arn't my photos as I'm simply linking them.

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CRH380 Test Train <--- people seem to be asking about this lately.
Photo taken on the Beijing-Guangzhou conventional line. Train was travelling south near the city of Shijiazhuang, around 300kms from Beijing. Definately one of the first instances where the train has been seen operating on its own power in public.

http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image...6/glowfoto.jpg

URL reference (http://www.railwayfan.net/viewthread...age%3D2&page=2)
Don't post old images. (It's on page 119 of this thread)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2374
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Old May 19th, 2010, 08:28 AM   #2635
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CRH1-380: Bombardier's Zefiro 380 version
CRH2-380: Sifang 380 version CRH2
CRH3-380: Tangshan 380 version CRH3

The one in Exop is CRH2-380, one photo in ourail bbs shows it has started testing on tracks, but the photo was deleted several days later.

But, the one in th expo has bogies very similar to those of Velaro ones. How can it be based on E2?

Also, just wanted to write down the total number of train sets on order for each CRH to see the scale of the Chinese market, please correct if they are wrong:

CRH1 (Zefiro which can reach 380km/h): 80 sets (http://www.bombardier.com/en/corpora...01260d800acfd9)

CRH2 (Kawasaki E2, 380km/h): 140 sets

CRH3 (Velaro, 380km/h): 340 sets - 2,720 cars?? (subsystem contract: http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news69895.html)

All of these contracts are signed in 2009.

I believe what we see in expo is not any of these. However, some of those subsystems from the last deal might have ended up on the expo one.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #2636
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I can't believe they are working on 3 380km/h designs! This really is turning out to be the second golden age of rail, and I salute the Chinese efforts. Plus I look forward to travelling on them one day (even though i'll probably die according to internationally renowned industry commentators).

France and Japan have shown what can be done with mature HSR networks, but China is about to take this to a whole new level. It will be interesting to see what a fully mature network on a France+Spain+Germany+Italy scale matched with Japanese-esque density can acheive in the development of a country and its demography.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #2637
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But, the one in th expo has bogies very similar to those of Velaro ones. How can it be based on E2?
Because Chinese took Velaro/CRH3's bogies and put it on a Shinkansen/CRH2's body?

Like I said Chinese are making modifications without Kawasaki's approval, and Kawasaki JR East has renounced all responsibilities from Chinese modifications.

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I can't believe they are working on 3 380km/h designs!
No, Chinese are working on CRH380 only.

Zefiro is a Bombardier design.
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Old May 19th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #2638
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CRH1-380: Bombardier's Zefiro 380 version
CRH2-380: Sifang 380 version CRH2
CRH3-380: Tangshan 380 version CRH3

The one in Exop is CRH2-380, one photo in ourail bbs shows it has started testing on tracks, but the photo was deleted several days later.

correct.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 01:49 AM   #2639
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Not sure if these two pictures have been posted before. Wuhan station.


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Old May 20th, 2010, 04:47 AM   #2640
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I saw the first one somewhere in this forum but the second one is new to me. Thanks for sharing. Incredible infrastructure
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