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Old May 30th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #2761
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I am becoming tired of having to prune off-topic posts in the thread; if this keeps on, I will have no hesitation locking it.
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Old May 30th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #2762
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As the old says goes "Rome was not built in a day".
Modern day rail is a system which is depend upon multitude of technological and engineering realms. Metallurgy, geology, electronics, hydromechanics, civil engineering, etc.
Although it was erased I believe some read my argument on why the recent train derailment was of human error due to poor service management. If you had really gone through the link to Japan Rail Technical Research Institute WS you'll find what I was talking about.
They have wealth of information concerning disaster prevention such as;
*A Method to Predict the Change of the Water Level and to Evaluate the Stability of the Slope Surface Layer Considering the Topography
* Experimental Evaluation of Earth Pressure of Weathering Layer Act on Protection Work for Cutting Slope
* Influence of Hydraulic Conductivity Distribution of Sandy Ground on Groundwater Flow
Those are just a few concerning the topic at hand.

Japan have been studying rail service in a holistic manner for over 50 years.
Although PRC will no doubt catch up, I think it is still too early to say that PRC rail technology that is only focusing on how to build fast train had caught up with the rest of the world just yet.
I generally agree with you that China still needs time to acquire the amount of experience with HSR that others have obtained during decades of operation. But it's wrong to say that the chinese are only focused on building fast trains. If you watch any presentation by the chinese engineers of china's HSR effort, you'd know speed is by far not their sole focus. There have been a lot of efforts in reducing noise level, in and outside of the train, building stable tracks with minimal vertical displacement over time, improving the quality of riding-experience by working on the air-tightness of the cabins etc. etc.

There is a tendency of people outside China to underestimate the work done in China, while there is a tendency inside China to be overconfident about Chinese' short - and so far by and large successful - experience with HSR. But I agree that, for the sake of safety and long term success, a bit humility will do good.
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Old May 30th, 2010, 11:18 PM   #2763
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Every passenger-dedicated rail line I've seen listed on Wikipedia has 350 km/h as the maximum designed speed, with about 320 km/h as the top actual speed, so can we really expect this CRH 380 to result in speed increases?
Beijing-Shanghai line will be designed for 380 km/h
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Old May 31st, 2010, 02:27 AM   #2764
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China to Turkey train to launch this year

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...this-year.html

12 April 2010

ASIA: Demonstration trains will link Turkey with China and Iran with central Asia this year, Mohammad Mirzaei Kahagh, Director of Transport & Communications at the Economic Co-operation Organisation told Terrapinn's EurasiaRail 2010 conference.

These will build on the Pakistan - Turkey train which ran last August (RG 9.09 p3). The trips are being organised by ECO on a supranational corridor basis to minimise bureaucratic hurdles, with containers despatched under ECO seals to eliminate the need for border inspections.

This July a train will run from the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas to Kazakhstan, with a regular scheduled service planned to follow. Consultants are currently examining the launch of an Istanbul - Almaty train via the Sarakhs border crossing which can now handle 400 wagons a day following a US$75m upgrading.

Agreement has been reached with China for an Urumqi - Istanbul train, and proposals for a standard gauge line across Kazakhstan to China will be announced later this year.

After the successful Islamabad - Istanbul trial last year, a train will set off in the opposite direction on August 2. Agreement has been reached to cut the journey time from 14 to 10 days, comparing favourably with 17 days by road and 37 by sea. ECO is negotiating a 20% cut in tariffs to make the price of rail comparable to sea. 'The ECO train is not there to cover costs elsewhere on the rail networks', stressed Kahagh.

While the various ECO trains cannot avoid a degree of political symbolism, a strictly market-based approach is being taken to their development. Pakistan Railways is to launch a website to handle marketing, and studies are underway to identify potential traffic, expected to include cotton and manufactured goods. 'There is enough cargo for this train', Kahagh assured Railway Gazette International, and trade between Iran, Pakistan and Turkey could triple with better transport.

Infrastructure enhancements are being discussed, with upgrading of the Pakistan Railways line between Iran and Quetta and electrification of Iran's Tehran - Tabriz route proposed. In the longer term a railway around Lake Van in Turkey could replace the current train ferry.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 12:01 PM   #2765
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China to Turkey train to launch this year
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Agreement has been reached with China for an Urumqi - Istanbul train, and proposals for a standard gauge line across Kazakhstan to China will be announced later this year.
Kazakhstan has no border with Turkey.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 01:36 PM   #2766
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The Sarakhs border crossing mentioned in the article is on the border between Iran and Turkmenistan. According to Wikipedia, there is a rail connection between Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, and from Uzbekistan to Kazakhstan.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 09:12 PM   #2767
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Hope to connected south east asia.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 09:40 PM   #2768
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Hope to connected south east asia.
There already is the mixed gauge railway between China and Hanoi.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 10:53 PM   #2769
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Kazakhstan has no border with Turkey.
Looking at the map, it'd have to pass through Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan first. I guess the train discussions have concluded then.

It's not too much of a surprise.. the 1833km China-Kazakhstan-Uzbekistan-Turkmenistan gas pipeline was recently just completed.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 11:30 PM   #2770
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Infrastructure enhancements are being discussed, with upgrading of the Pakistan Railways line between Iran and Quetta and electrification of Iran's Tehran - Tabriz route proposed. In the longer term a railway around Lake Van in Turkey could replace the current train ferry.
Upgrading the Zahedan-Quetta line is indeed a vital necessity, this line being
currently in very bad shape, with only two round-trips per month organized.

Electrification of Tehran-Tabriz has been under discussion for years. Iranian
railways have already far too much projects on-going to consider this one
seriously for now.

The most critical investment is certainly the lake Van ferry. Current capacity
is between 50 and 100 cars per day in each direction, depending on the
number of operational ferries. There are two ships on the lake, but when I
was there last year, one of them was not serviceable. 50 or 100 cars per
day is a bit short for a regularly scheduled service. There are talks about a
new line along the lake, but, like Iranians, Turkey has lots of other projects
ongoing, and can't start them all at the same time. There are also talks about
bigger ships, which will hopefully also be faster. Currently the crossing takes
5 hours...
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Old June 1st, 2010, 10:36 AM   #2771
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Originally posted at bbs.ourail.com

Yining Railway Station is located on recently completed Jingyihuo Railway in Xinjiang. The railway is currently only opened for freight, passenger service is expected in a couple of months.
Shall a railway between China and Iran enter Kazakhstan through Alashankow and Družba/Dostyk, or through Yining, down Ili Valley and through Almaty?
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Old June 1st, 2010, 07:34 PM   #2772
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There is an incredible video of a Chinese rail worker dodging two CRH trains coming from both direction at full speed. An incredible video


CRH clip starts at 50 sec.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 09:02 PM   #2773
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doesn't look like a rail worker, looks like an unauthorized trespasser
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Old June 1st, 2010, 10:25 PM   #2774
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Is there any news on the Pearl River Delta Intercity railways? It's supposed to open this year, but I haven't found any pictures or news of it :/
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Old June 1st, 2010, 11:02 PM   #2775
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Shall a railway between China and Iran enter Kazakhstan through Alashankow and Družba/Dostyk, or through Yining, down Ili Valley and through Almaty?
As far as I know, it should use the existing Almaty-Urumqi route. There is
no new railway to be built, this trip can almost entirely be done already
today...
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 12:19 AM   #2776
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As far as I know, it should use the existing Almaty-Urumqi route.
I thought that Almaty would be a detour from the route between Družba and Uzbekistan?
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no new railway to be built, this trip can almost entirely be done already
today...
Sarakhs crossing is said to have SUW2000 gauge change device. Does any border station of China have any gauge change facility?
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 02:06 AM   #2777
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There is an incredible video of a Chinese rail worker dodging two CRH trains coming from both direction at full speed. An incredible video


CRH clip starts at 50 sec.
The announcer is very hot
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 05:39 AM   #2778
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China's fastest train rolls off production line
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A man walks by the new "380A" high speed train at Changchun Railway Vehicles Co., Ltd. on Thursday, May 27, 2010. [Photo: Xinhua]

China's fastest high speed train rolled off the production line Thursday in Changchun, capital of the northeastern province of Jilin, a company executive said.

Dong Xiaofeng, chairman of Changchun Railway Vehicles Co., Ltd., said the new generation train "380A" has the maximum operating speed of 380 km per hour.

Changchun Railway Vehicles Co., Ltd. is a subsidiary of China CNR Corp, one of the country's two big train makers.

The trains, which China has the independent intellectual property rights of, will run for the first time on the Beijing-Shanghai high speed railway that is to be completed and opened in 2011.

On March 16, China's Ministry of Railways signed a contract to buy 100 new generation trains from China CNR Corp.

High speed trains with the maximum operating speed of 350 km have been running on three lines that link Beijing and Tianjin, Wuhan and Guangzhou, Zhengzhou and Xi'an.
http://en.ce.cn/National/stech/20100...21454682.shtml
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 05:49 AM   #2779
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There is an incredible video of a Chinese rail worker dodging two CRH trains coming from both direction at full speed. An incredible video


CRH clip starts at 50 sec.
that's some kung fu sh*t right there, ping pong sh*t.
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 09:21 AM   #2780
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There is an incredible video of a Chinese rail worker dodging two CRH trains coming from both direction at full speed. An incredible video


CRH clip starts at 50 sec.
Fate looked at the Lady, looked at the die on the table, the single die still nonetheless rolled to a 7, and asked, "But how"?

Death watched the trains passing, and wondered, and shook his head. The Lady had spared him, but she is never kind.

[/end Discworld affectionate parody]

Seriously, that is one very lucky dude.

And a very hot announcer...
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