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Old July 2nd, 2010, 07:44 PM   #2901
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Nanchang-Jiujiang HSR

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It is supposed to open sometime in this June.

Which day? It is the middle of the month already.
And June is over. Any news?
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 03:22 AM   #2902
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regarding NanChang-JiuJiang rail, the construction work is affected by the severe flood throughout JiangXi and neighbor provinces.

plus, according to Nanchang Railway Bureau, the intercity rail is planned to be operational at the end of this July HOPEFULLY, and there is still no schedule available at this time the previous reports saying that this line would be open in June were just rumors.

here is a recent news piece for those who understand chinese (don't bother trying google translation, it'll give u nothing but crap):
http://house.focus.cn/news/2010-06-30/973586.html

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Old July 3rd, 2010, 03:29 AM   #2903
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Construction work of Changsha-Zhuzhou-Xiangtan Intercity Rail started on July 2

Changsha-Zhuzhou, Xiangtan

Length: 95.5 km
Stations: 21
Designed speed: 200 km/h
Changsha-Zhuzhou in 24 min, Changsha-Xiangtan in 25 min
Investment: CN¥23.32 billion
Due for operation in 2014
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 06:20 AM   #2904
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So the new Nanjing-Shanghai line now costs more but the average travel time won't really fall since there are only 2 nonstop trains a day?
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 09:24 AM   #2905
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Changsha-Zhuzhou, Xiangtan

Length: 95.5 km
Stations: 21
Designed speed: 200 km/h
Changsha-Zhuzhou in 24 min, Changsha-Xiangtan in 25 min
Investment: CN¥23.32 billion
Due for operation in 2014
Which high-speed railways shall operate around Changsha by 2015?

Changsha-Wuhan, Changsha-Guangzhou (now running), Changsha-Nanchang-Hangzhou-Shanghai, Changsha-Kunming, Changsha-Xiangtan?

Does anyone have a map of Changsha suburbs where these railways are shown?
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Old July 4th, 2010, 04:10 AM   #2906
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That waiting hall is so small :p
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Old July 5th, 2010, 05:48 PM   #2907
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High-speed rail to link Shanghai, east China cities
Xinhua News Agency
5 July 2010

SHANGHAI -- Tickets went on sale on June 25 for a high-speed rail service linking Shanghai and Nanjing, part of a growing rail network to boost the development of cities around China's financial metropolis.

The trains will shuttle between Shanghai and Nanjing, capital of Jiangsu Province, at a speed of 350 km per hour, faster than a Formula One racing car from July 1, said a statement from Shanghai Railway Bureau.

The 200-meter-long CRH3 (China Railways High-speed) train has eight carriages and 557 seats. About 120 shuttles are scheduled everyday, linking Shanghai, Nanjing and six other cities along the route.

Tickets for the full journey between Shanghai and Nanjing are priced at 146 yuan (21.47 U.S. dollars) for second class seats and 233 yuan for first class.

The railway is expected to enhance the economic ties between Shanghai and nearby cities.

A businessman surnamed Wang said his company's factories are in Nanjing while the headquarters is in Shanghai.

"I heard it will take only 73 minutes to get to Shanghai by the high-speed train, which means I can make a shuttle between the two cities in a morning. It feels like travelling within Shanghai."

With more convenient transport links, more people are choosing to live in less expensive cities near Shanghai while working in the metropolis.

Wang Huaping and his wife are among the commuters. With a monthly income of 20,000 yuan, they spent about 1.16 million yuan on a flat of 137 square meters in Kunshan City, a stop on the high-speed railway.

"The same amount of money could only buy a flat of only 40 square meters in Shanghai. After the high-speed train begins, it will take a little more than 10 minutes to get to Shanghai. It's no different from living in Shanghai," Wang said.

The rail network around Shanghai is expected to get a further boost after the central government approved the construction of a maglev railway linking Shanghai and Hangzhou, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, in March.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 11:03 PM   #2908
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So the new Nanjing-Shanghai line now costs more but the average travel time won't really fall since there are only 2 nonstop trains a day?
The HSR is to augment the currenty transportation capacity between the two cities, not to replace them.

The current 200 - 250km/h EMUs are still running on their already established schedules and most will not be affected by the introduction of the HSR.

I believe service stoppage will mainly affect the traditional loco+carriage "fast" trains that operated at 140km/h -> 160km/h. Lower priced trains that operates below 140km/h should not be severely affected either.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 02:37 AM   #2909
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The current 200 - 250km/h EMUs are still running on their already established schedules and most will not be affected by the introduction of the HSR.
Most Shanghai-Nanjing EMU services are suspended. The exceptions are long haul services like Beijing-Shanghai, ShenyangNorth-Shanghai that run through Nanjing.

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I believe service stoppage will mainly affect the traditional loco+carriage "fast" trains that operated at 140km/h -> 160km/h. Lower priced trains that operates below 140km/h should not be severely affected either.
Not true. Speed is not a factor for price. Air conditioning is. A train with "new-type air conditioning" is nearly twice as expensive as one without air conditioning. A 'pukuai' (general fast) train is only about 20% higher than 'puke' (general passenger) train. The price for K-series, T-series, Z-series are exactly the same.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 06:04 PM   #2910
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Didn't expect this to happen so soon ...

High-speed link on a fast track to nowhere
6 July 2010
South China Morning Post

Sales of high-speed rail tickets between Shanghai and Nanjing will be suspended indefinitely from Saturday - just days after the multibillion-yuan link was launched amid a blaze of propaganda.

Rail authorities say the indefinite suspension will allow them to "optimise" the service. But the move appears to have been prompted by poor demand amid complaints about high ticket prices for a negligible saving in trip time.

The less-than-enthusiastic welcome to high-speed rail travel in the affluent Yangtze River Delta bodes ominously for the service's future nationwide, with links being constructed between major cities throughout the country.

It also calls into question feasibility studies carried out before the high-profile project was given the green light.

In an embarrassing climbdown for the Shanghai Railways Bureau, train ticket offices in the city yesterday displayed printed notices reading: "Following notification from above, the sale of high-speed rail tickets will be suspended from July 11, 2010, until further notice." Staff on duty said they had not been given any further explanation for the suspension.

The Shanghai-Nanjing link - part of a massive transport infrastructure upgrade spanning the Yangtze River Delta - was fast-tracked as part of the government's financial stimulus package and to help ferry tourists visiting the World Expo in Shanghai. It was launched on Thursday - exactly two years after work began - with headlines in local newspapers boasting it would cut journey times to as little as 73 minutes.

In reality, there is only one direct service per day in each direction scheduled to make the trip in that time, with a second completing the journey in 75 minutes.

Most trips stop at intervening cities and can take as long as two hours and seven minutes - just one minute quicker than the existing D-class express trains, which are much cheaper.

Standard-class, high-speed rail tickets from Shanghai to Nanjing cost 146 yuan, 57 per cent more than the 93 yuan it costs to buy a D-class ticket. Trains on the new route have a maximum speed of 350km/h, but do not actually reach that during commercial operations. Non-direct trains travel at around 200km/h for most of the route, only exceeding 300km/h for a few brief periods.

Shanghai rail officials have blamed the slower-than-anticipated speeds on the complicated route taken by the specially constructed line, which passes through the heart of a number of cities.

High-speed rail services ridden by South China Morning Post journalists on Thursday and during the weekend were reasonably busy but well below maximum capacity, with empty seats in most carriages. Shanghai media reported yesterday that 94,000 passengers travelled on the high-speed line on Thursday, followed by 138,000 on Friday and around 130,000 on Saturday. The city's official media portal, Eastday.com, reported that "close to half the seats were empty" on a Sunday service while "several hundred tickets remained unsold" for other trips that day. By contrast, D-class trains - which were cut back when the high-speed line went into service - were almost all fully booked.

No one at the Shanghai Railways Bureau could be reached for comment yesterday.

A Shanghai government spokesman said he was told that the bureau issued a press release on the ticket suspension yesterday afternoon. But, no notices relating to the decision were on the bureau's website by last night. Eastday quoted a Shanghai Railways Bureau spokesman as saying that the bureau was "taking stock of the situation during operations over in the past few days" in order to "optimise" the scheduling of the high-speed rail service.

Official plans for the Yangtze River Delta network - scheduled to be completed next year - had originally stated it would cut journey times to less than an hour between any of the region's three main cities - Shanghai, Nanjing and Hangzhou .

Officials also predicted that when the network eventually reached Beijing, the trip between Shanghai and the capital would take just five hours.

The experience of the Shanghai-Nanjing link casts doubt on just how realistic those times are.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #2911
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South China Morning post is complete anti-China bullcrap as usual.

The service was suspended probably due to a safety risk that has been identified along the line that needed to be solved to allow proper operation.

Not only are you not able to guage the demand and pricing accuracy of a service in 5 days of operation, nor do you need to stop the entire service to do a pricing adjustment.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 07:31 PM   #2912
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the HSR should be all nonstop trains, the distance is too small to justify stopping at multiple stops, which should be left to the slower trains.
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Most Shanghai-Nanjing EMU services are suspended. The exceptions are long haul services like Beijing-Shanghai, ShenyangNorth-Shanghai that run through Nanjing.



Not true. Speed is not a factor for price. Air conditioning is. A train with "new-type air conditioning" is nearly twice as expensive as one without air conditioning. A 'pukuai' (general fast) train is only about 20% higher than 'puke' (general passenger) train. The price for K-series, T-series, Z-series are exactly the same.
Article posted in prior pages note that 44 sets of 200km/h trains are still running. Was it not accurate?

I don't think we are on the same page for my second point. I mean that slower trains are remaining in service and that T and K trains are being replaced by the basket loads.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 07:42 PM   #2914
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Electric railway opens in Xinjiang

Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region's first electric railway line has opened. It runs between Urumqi and Ili. Xinhua News Agency says a Turpan resident had the chance to board the first service.

He and his wife say they are pleased with the convenience it has brought them. The railway marks a new chapter for public transport in Ili. It reduces the travel time to less than 12 hours overnight with 11 stops between the two cities. The railway has been jointly constructed by China's railway ministry and Xinjiang local government. Construction work began in November, 2004.

Video at: http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsh...6/102271.shtml
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Old July 6th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #2915
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the HSR should be all nonstop trains, the distance is too small to justify stopping at multiple stops, which should be left to the slower trains.
Well, there is another HSR under construction, the Beijing-Shanghai HSR. So there shall be 3 rail lines in parallel - old Shanghai-Nanjing, the intercity line and the longhaul line.

Two and a half hours is inconveniently long time for regular commute. And considering that there are still long distances between stops, add the time to travel to actual origin and actual destination by metro or streetcar at both times. There is a real need for HSR capable of accelerating and decelerating fast, to connect metro hubs.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 01:25 AM   #2916
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More express trains in service

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By Zha Minjie
2010-7-6

TWENTY-SIX express trains will be added daily to the newly opened Shanghai-Nanjing high-speed railway from July 11 after passengers complained that there was not enough non-stop services along the route, Shanghai railway officials said yesterday.

However, some passengers said they are still upset because they feel there is less choice now and that they are being forced to take the more expensive high-speed trains since most old-generation trains have been canceled. Despite the backlash, rail officials said the high-speed rail line "is welcomed by a large amount of passengers." Turnout along the line, the first high-speed rail in the Yangtze River Delta region, has hit more than 130,000 per day since opening on July 1.

Until July 11, only four non-stop trains will run each day between Shanghai and Nanjing, capital of Jiangsu Province. Under the new plan, the express trains will depart from both cities every hour between 8am and 7pm. Additional non-stop trains will depart at 9:30am, 1:30pm and 3:30pm in both cities, officials said. There will be 18 express trains between Shanghai Hongqiao Railway Station and Nanjing while the other 12 will run between Shanghai Railway Station and Nanjing.

Complaints began mounting soon after the line opened as passengers said that they usually have to board trains that stop at several stations between Shanghai and Nanjing. The biggest complaint: ticket prices. A standard ticket costs 146 yuan (US$21.54) for both express and non-express trains. "It's not worthwhile for me to pay the higher price for slower service," said Pris Wu, deputy editor-in-chief at Map Magazine in Nanjing, who travels between the cities three or four times a week.

An express train takes 73 minutes to travel between the two cities while the trip takes 110 minutes on a non-express train with five stops. Older generation trains took more than 2 hours to complete the trip with a standard ticket costing 93 yuan each. Ticket sales for the high-speed railway resumed yesterday at 8pm after being suspended for a day due to the train schedule changes.
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But the move appears to have been prompted by poor demand amid complaints about high ticket prices for a negligible saving in trip time.
This is just not believable. Anyway, time will tell.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 06:16 AM   #2918
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Shanghai - Hangzhou expressrail to open on Oct 1

http://sh.sina.com.cn/news/s/2010-07-07/0807147939.html

Length: 160km
Speed: 350kmph
Travel time: 38 minutes
Train interval: 3 minutes

Now it's under track laying. It'll take only 38 minutes from Shanghai to hangzhou. I travelled to Hangzhou on weekend, the current CRH takes more than 1 hour.
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South China Morning post is complete anti-China bullcrap as usual.

The service was suspended probably due to a safety risk that has been identified along the line that needed to be solved to allow proper operation.

Not only are you not able to guage the demand and pricing accuracy of a service in 5 days of operation, nor do you need to stop the entire service to do a pricing adjustment.
That's even scarier - to think there is a safety problem but they still run trains from now until the suspension date. That's quite wreckless disregard for life, and I doubt that's the underlying reason for the stoppage.
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That's even scarier - to think there is a safety problem but they still run trains from now until the suspension date. That's quite wreckless disregard for life, and I doubt that's the underlying reason for the stoppage.
Its not a wreckless disregard for life, its a suggestion someone made on the internet, subsequently made irrelevent by further information suggesting service continues.

The internet does not mean reality. Don't panic.
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